Ever17 -The Out of Infinity-

[4as]

Originally Posted by sesq

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But after may 7th in coco's path it is miserable

"narrow-minded" alert!

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Originally Posted by sesq

Blink Winkel ?

Well, it is a fact that there are more dimensions that 3. Is then an existance of more complex entity, too much to handle?
Besieds, YOU are the Blink Winkel, as Player of this Game.
Not to mention you had it comming with all those multi-dimension theories.

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Originally Posted by sesq

Takeshi's resurrection at a bottom of the sea ?

Whos talking about resurrection - Takeshi fainted but Hokuto woke him up and encourage to live.
Takeshi been through a lot and prove his not that easy to kill.

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Originally Posted by sesq

Hokuto jumping into water without waiting for submarine

Yeah, that was kinda reckless, but he had to see him NOW! lol
Anyway, he swam from LeMU to the surface and diving is much easier so it wasn't impossible.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by sesq

I've finished ever17 coco's path

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blink winkel ? ech....

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The player (you) are blink winkel. Well, kind of, depending on how you look at it. But to include the player into the game like that is seems like a VERY cool idea to me.

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takeshi resurrecion at bottom of the sea ? ech...

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This part I didn't think was either good or bad, it was just necessary. Just go with it. At this point, the supernatural elements have already been revealed, so if you can accept that you can accept this. If you can't accept that then you would obviously have a problem with this too.

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Hokuto jumping into water without waiting for submarine ??? ECH....

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Yeah I don't know why they did that. They could have had him wait, wrote the script a little differently, and everything would have still worked. Who knows, maybe I'm missing some symbolism here.

[RealityEX]

i luv this game....does anyone know if there are similar visual novels like ever 17? with kinda the same genre?

[sesq]

4as, Chewy

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i know who Blink Winkel was, but it was kinda bad idea, good idea was trick player that this is 2 accidents but to trick Blink Winkel it was really impossible because to make second fake accident in real it would be impossible. Tsugumi nothing told about the repeating accident from 17 years ago, Hokuto lost memory like KID 17 yrs ago - what if he doesn't ?

@RealityEX, there is no as much visual novels in english to choose from them, the same genre doesn't exist.

Do you know any normal books to read simmilar to ever17 ? I mean that behind characters is the big misery or yuo know what i mean.

[4as]

Originally Posted by RealityEX

i luv this game....does anyone know if there are similar visual novels like ever 17? with kinda the same genre?

Some one already asked that question...
anyway:
EVE Burst Error and Desire.
If im not mistaken script for those games was written by the same guy who writed for Ever17?
Both games are similar but EVE is little less SF than Desire.
Oh and also, both games are rated Mature.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by RealityEX

i luv this game....does anyone know if there are similar visual novels like ever 17? with kinda the same genre?

The ABSOLUTE CLOSEST you can get to the Ever17 experience is probably Remember11. The same people worked on the scenario and music, and it also gives off the same survival + mystery vibe as Ever17. If you like Psychology this game will be your cup of tea.

I/O (another game written by Nakazawa Takumi after he left KID) is also pretty good. If you like computers you'll LOVE this game. ONOKEN's music works really well here too.

Both are PS2 exclusive games.

OR you can just look for any game written by Nakazawa Takumi.

[rg4619]

EVE Burst Error and Desire.
If im not mistaken script for those games was written by the same guy who writed for Ever17?

Nope. Uchikoshi Kotaro (main writer) only worked on Eve ~new generation~, which is the new PS2 game released by Kadokawa Shoten. He had nothing to do with the original C's Ware games.

[dsp2003]

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Hokuto jumping into water without waiting for submarine ??? ECH....

Hehehe... oh my. You didn't get it, right? REMEMBER the Opening: Suzunori (Ryogo) gone crazy and jumped into the pool BECAUSE Hokuto *was jumping into water without waiting for submarine* 17 years and 7 days after.

Why? Because of Blick Winkel's memory ("Now he had know the truth and his lips were trembling. --Where's the real "me"?" These words is not only about the Hokuto, but *both* Hokuto and Suzunori. Both of them got amnesia *NOT* because Blick Winkel EXPECTED this to happen, but because of RUSH of TRIPPLE-personality memories (Takeshi's, Hokuto's and Blick's himself) -- who can whistand THAT?

Sounds crazy? Look at this from my point of view.

[Marko]

Hi guys, I'm new here.
Two days ago I finished Ever17 (every ending) and I think that this is the best game I've ever played, perhaps better than every anime I've seen so far.

I have some questions

1)

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Is the true-Coco ending a "happily ever after" ending? Every character is now safe, and they can be finally happy, ok. But, what about the future?

Hokuto is 16, Sara is 16.
Their mother is 41, but she looks like she's 17.
Their father is 37, but he looks like he's 25.
When Hokuto and Sara will be around 30 or 60, their parents will still look 17 and 25. When they'll day because of old age, their parents will still look 17 and 25. Will they be able to endure all this?

The same can be applied to You'aki' and her "mother" You'haru'.

2)

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How is it possible that the young Kaburaki has the same voice of Hokuto, and that the "old" Kaburaki has the same voice of Takeshi?
Since we don't hear Takeshi's voice in Takeshi's paths, and we don't even hear Hokuto's voice in Kid's paths, they could have changed dubber, couldn't they?

3) If I can ask it, can you please teach me how to edit the script.dat file in order to successfully translate the game in another language? I want some friends of mine to play this game, but they can't read english.

Thank you very much.
I'm here because I've seen this thread on KGPTZAC's guestbook I hope I'm not pissing you off.

[4as]

Originally Posted by Marko

I think that this is the best game I've ever played, perhaps better than every anime I've seen so far.

Agree!

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Originally Posted by Marko

Is the true-Coco ending a "happily ever after" ending? Every character is now safe, and they can be finally happy, ok. But, what about the future?
..
Their father is 37, but he looks like he's 25.
...

It is left for your imagination ;0
Does it really matter? Thay didn't seem to mind.
But just in case, you can assume thay will find cure for... em... Cure.

And Takeshi is 20.

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Originally Posted by Marko

How is it possible that the young Kaburaki has the same voice of Hokuto, and that the "old" Kaburaki has the same voice of Takeshi?
Since we don't hear Takeshi's voice in Takeshi's paths, and we don't even hear Hokuto's voice in Kid's paths, they could have changed dubber, couldn't they?

They are all voiced by the same person.
In the prologue (befor character choice) you can here there voices - diffrent voices would rise suspicions, wont you agree?

Originally Posted by Marko

3) If I can ask it, can you please teach me how to edit the script.dat file in order to successfully translate the game in another language? I want some friends of mine to play this game, but they can't read english.

Tried to do the same thing
You can do it with any hex editor (like XVI32), just open the script.dat with it.
Form here you can edit it kinda like any other text file...
Theres just one rule: the filesize of the edited script.dat needs to be EXACTLY the same as the original's one.

[Gabest1]

Hm, anyone up for a little challenge? I have unpacked the script.dat of never7, and now looking for people to translate it (better than google)

[Marko]

Thank you 4as for your answers!

Spoiler for 1):

Originally Posted by 4as

And Takeshi is 20.

Takeshi is 20 in 2017 (=37 in 2034); according to Tsugumi's explanation Cure takes 5 years to make the immortal body, so he should look like he's 25, shouldn't he?

Spoiler for 2):

Originally Posted by 4as

They are all voiced by the same person.

Yup, I knew this!

Originally Posted by 4as

In the prologue (befor character choice) you can here there voices - diffrent voices would rise suspicions, wont you agree?

Yeah, you're right, I wasn't thinking about the prologue ^^

Originally Posted by 4as

Tried to do the same thing
You can do it with any hex editor (like XVI32), just open the script.dat with it.
Form here you can edit it kinda like any other text file...
Theres just one rule: the filesize of the edited script.dat needs to be EXACTLY the same as the original's one.

I tried to edit script.dat with EditPadPro (hex editor) but if I try to use the new file, the game crashes. I guess it is fault of the size, then. But... how is it possible to keep EXACTLY the same size of the original? It's impossible to translate sentences keeping the same number of letters of the original sentences...

Anyway, can't this software help? I found it on kgptzac's website but I don't know how to use it. It splits script.dat in several *.src files that can be edited with an editor as well, but I don't know how to make a new script.dat from them.

Thank you for your help

[4as]

Originally Posted by Gabest1

Hm, anyone up for a little challenge? I have unpacked the script.dat of never7, and now looking for people to translate it (better than google)

From japanese ? oO
I dont think you'll find help here ~~;

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Originally Posted by Marko

Takeshi is 20 in 2017 (=37 in 2034); according to Tsugumi's explanation Cure takes 5 years to make the immortal body, so he should look like he's 25, shouldn't he?

Well, he was hibernated.
Hibernation stopped his ageing, thus when they unfreeze him, he still was 20.
Probably, from that point on, he will age for another 5 years and then stop because of Cure.

Originally Posted by Marko

But... how is it possible to keep EXACTLY the same size of the original? It's impossible to translate sentences keeping the same number of letters of the original sentences...

You can have diffrent sentences size, just the whole file needs to have exact number. Make one sentance longer, one shorter, so in the end it will all sum up to the same file size ;0
There is probably a way around it but I dunno.

Originally Posted by Marko

Anyway, can't this software help?

Interesting. I'll need to check up that later.

[Gabest1]

Originally Posted by 4as

From japanese ? oO
I dont think you'll find help here ~~;

Hehe, I know, but I'm trying.

[Vibeke]

Originally Posted by Gabest1

Hm, anyone up for a little challenge? I have unpacked the script.dat of never7, and now looking for people to translate it (better than google)

Try Visual News Forum, maybe someone will be able to help you

[dsp2003]

doh...try AnimED from http://www.dsp2003.narod.ru/animed.htm. It was originally created for making the russian translation of the Ever17. It can extract\create LNK (DAT) \ IKURA SM2MPX10 \ PackOnly/PackPlus & other game archives. It can (de)code WAF files. It can also split SCR file into several hundreds of chunks and merge them back (SEE USER'S MANUAL).

You can also see russian demo translation here: http://www.dsp2003.narod.ru/ever17.htm. --prove that the tool is working.

The updated 0.5.7.290 AnimED's version will be released in a few weeks. Please be patient.

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4as, you're wrong. I've decoded the SC3 format. It's uses internal text sections table (almostly looks like simplified LNK (DAT) format). When you're editing the text, the string jumping offsets changes the positions. That's the cause of edited script.dat non-working. So, it's necessary to RECALCULATE every jump table entry. My tool is able to do so (because of lazyness, i didn't wrote the normal compiler\decompiler, so you must do chunks export, edit them in HEX editor one-by-one and only then import them back). It's simplier than my ugly english.

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NOTE: In order to edit Never7, Remember11 or Memories Off Series SCR files, you MUST edit scr_def.conf (i'm not sure if they're using the same SC3 format, so please check the header before doing something with them. It's contains the SC3 files properties), otherwise the tool will load the file as "blank". Little example:

; This is the offset list - it tells this tool where's the in-game texts is stored.
;
; [file.scr]
; begin =< text table beginning offset >
; records =< number of text records in SCR file >
;
; *** PLEASE EDIT CAREFULLY! ***

; Ever17 Introduction
[op00.scr]
begin =7868
records =373

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Any questions?

[4as]

Originally Posted by dsp2003

4as, you're wrong.

Wrong, in what matter? :S
I edited the script.dat with hex editor and it all went ok as long as file size matched the original file.
Thats it - maybe theres more to it, but that one fact alone is true.

[Marko]

Originally Posted by dsp2003

Any questions?

Thank you for your help dsp2003.
I hope you don't mind if I talk with you throught this board instead of using emails (I'm the same of the guestbook). But I think that this stuff may be helpful to the others ^^.

I don't understand a thing about codes, software, etc. ^^ then I don't understand your hard words :P
But this is what I tried:

- Thanks to your software, I opened the script.dat and split it into scr files.
- I opened the first scr file with an hex editor.
- I've changed a sentence in the file, and saved it.
- Thanks to your software, I merged the src files (with the new edited one) into a new script.dat
- I put the new dat into Ever17's folder.

Did I do something wrong? Is this the way to edit the Ever17's script file?

This time, the game booted. Then I tried to start a New Game but when the changed sentence appears on the screen, the game crashes reporting this error:



Whan can I do?
Thank you for your help

[dsp2003]

To Marko:

GRRR! Open the SCR file with AnimED via "Scenario Tool" tabsheet. Next, press "Export chunks". The SCR file will be splitted into several hundreds of little files. You must edit THEM instead of the SCR file --NEVER done the same mistake again, i beg you.

Next, when you'll finish to edit necessary chunks (see decompiled text sections window for the reference - not all of them should be edited ;] ), type in your compilation directory path (MUST NOT BE THE SAME AS YOU'RE EDITING CHUNKS FROM. For example, if you're editing in the "C:\SCR", then you must enter "C:\OUTPUT" or somelike (try to use the short path please) -- replace the "G:\Desktop\For Test" path (it's my testing folder, forgot to change it into other thing)) and only then hit "Import chunks" button. You'll have the 100% working SCR file in your C:\OUTPUT directory (DON'T FORGET TO CREATE IT AT THE FIRST PLACE).

Since none of you is reading User's Manual, here's a few hints:

KID engine have the string length limitation. It means, that the string must be <=48 symbols. "Enter" symbol for the engine is 01h (i.e., you MUST check the string length while editing the script and enter 01h bytecode if necessary --otherwise the game WILL crash. Next, the maximally possible number of strings is equals to 5). Preserve 5x48 char rule and you'll be fine.

...fhew.

To 4as:

That's what you've done is called byte-by-byte translation. :] It works too, but makes life harder when you'll need to change the length of string (i've done that at the first translation try-ons and become depressed in a few hours )

[Marko]

It... works!

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank you =) ^____________^