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2008-06-18, 23:27 | Link #1202 |
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Perhaps she was the fail safe device? If things go badly with the other observer units (as it did with one), you have a unit that can delete them. The fail safe does not need as much social programming, only enough to pass as human and not be noticed (too much....she is still on the A list of girls of North High). The problem being that the random factor ("Kyon") more or less set in motion that the fail safe would become the main unit by his own interactions with her in the past (and knowledge of future events). Thus to maintain the timeline, Yuki approached Kyon first of the group, to complete the time loop of the two time travelers in her room. (though in one respect she did lie to Kyon...there was someone at her place when he came over the first time. Himself and Mikuru).
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2008-06-18, 23:33 | Link #1203 | |
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(I think we put more thought into this series than he does...) Anyway, it's worth pointing out that Ryoko contacted Kyon before Yuki did. I doubt Ryoko was told about the time loop, though. |
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2008-06-18, 23:44 | Link #1204 |
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Ryoko didn't tell him she was an alien either...until she tried to knife him. Yuki did tell him first.
And yes we've put more thought into it I would think. Some authors think that far ahead for backstory and possible future stories, but almost everything changes as you write it. I use to write stories, but haven't in several year now, so I do know about making up ones backstory and having lots of story ideas that need to connect with each other as well as a timeline for characters to follow. New ideas or details while writing the actual story can complicate your timeline, backstory, and future plans. I don't even want to think what becoming a top rated success does to a timelime and future storylines. Not only are you now noticed, but have people on you for more. Plus money wanting changes. The headache itself would delay a project.
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Ryoko talked to him first though. She noticed Haruhi was changing thanks to Kyon's interactions with her and urged him to continue, which fits in with her mission. Quote:
And, if I recall correctly, her stories indicate that she does want to go back to the Data Entity, but Koizumi isn't letting her. Or something. |
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2008-06-19, 00:32 | Link #1209 |
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If there are any more gods besides Haruhi and Sasaki, I expect only two more.
The whole "Four Gods" thing, ya know. Also, I just finished flipping through the Haruhi-chan manga... it looks damned interesting, but it desperately needs a translator... Anyone interested? |
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Of course they are still connected into the overall system. So it's not that they're separate, more of in conflict with each other given that they're completely different designs. Quote:
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And faking Kyon's death goes completely contrary to what they would be "theoretically" aiming to achieve. You are trying to put Haruhi under a controlled stress situation, that can easily be circumvented by revealing that it was all just a game. Faking Kyon's death is a bad idea, because you might get more of a reaction that would reasonably be safe for reality. They needed to fake the death of someone Haruhi could find likable, but didn't know well enough to be "to" upset by their death. I also think that their actions were a bit to ballsy to just be for Haruhi's entertainment. I fail to see how discussing theory on the back story for an anime on a forum, is somehow less redeemed than using the forum to add to your pr0n collection. |
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2008-06-19, 09:23 | Link #1212 |
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If she wanted to go back I don't think that she would have equated going back to the data Entity with going into a coffin. and her first story implies that she existed for a long time before becoming an Interface, but as part of something much larger with no understanding of self. I suspect that by the time the mission is over many of the Humanoid Interfaces may refuse to return.
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2008-06-19, 20:58 | Link #1215 | |
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As to your other post, all I can really respond with other than "you're right" is the fact that, since Asakura isn't entirely destroyed, she could be revived. (As Yuki actually did.) In the official gag 4koma "The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi-chan", serialized in The Sneaker, Asakura DOES revive... as a tiny chibi. Nagato decides that she would make a good pet, actually. Goddamn, that manga needs a translation... |
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2008-06-19, 21:15 | Link #1216 |
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Are you sure it is Koizumi? While it reads like it could be him and Mikuru, could it be Haruhi and Kyon instead? Kyon is the random factor. No Kyon, no random events. Haruhi is tempered (if alone). Nothing to spark her ups and downs. She would be a constant, and thus the observers could come and go without being chained to any one place. If the thought is that she doesn't want to go back (home) to the coffin, but A) doesn't really want to, or B) is kept from going by the man...than Kyon is what is keeping her out of the coffin.
If it is Koizumi, than it is the balancing act between the interesting parties that keeps her present. I do wonder if the translation is correct into taking into account any symbolism or word play that may be very, very cultural specific.
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2008-06-19, 21:18 | Link #1217 | |
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2008-06-19, 21:21 | Link #1218 |
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I would think he smiles at Yuki from time to time. Or at least Yuki would want him to smile at her. It is just most of the time we see him he is annoyed by something related to Haruhi.
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2008-06-19, 21:23 | Link #1219 | |
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It would make more SENSE if it was Kyon, but I don't see even Yuki describing him that way. But that's just me. |
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