Gundam 00 - Innovator discussion

[kakakka]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

From the looks of it, Ribbons plan doesn’t seem like a simple 'move the human race to space' deal. No, it looks like he does not only want to turn the human race into innovators because it is the next stage in evolution, but to be able to monitor and control every person on the planet. Once all humanity becomes like Louise, and using Veda, Ribbons would have absolute control over everyone. No one would be able to break free from his control, not even the other Innovators (he is able to read their mind, able to control them, and even can has a whole different newtype flash to emphasize that he is the one talking to them). Humans are already dependent on technology in the 00-verse, but once they become linked to him, he would’ve become completely omniscience (and to some degree, omnipresent).

Agreed. I remembered Ribbon saying/correcting Regene that he would lead, not the Innovators, the humanity to the new frontier. Being able to link to anyone can make that task pretty easy.

[Nerroth]

For anyone who is familiar with the new Battlestar Galactica, do you think it might be possible that VEDA might, along with its other functions, accommodate

Spoiler for nuBSG:

the kind of distance-download technology seen aboard a Cylon Resurrection Ship?

Perhaps the Innovators are

Spoiler for BSG again:

akin to the numberous Cylon clones - indeed, one might guess that Tieria and Ribbons might be as distinct form the other Innovators as the first seven Cylon models are from the Final Five...

...although, it would not be surprising at all if only Ribbons knew about that aspect, and kept that information from the others.

[GundamMeisterLockon]

Originally Posted by Nerroth

For anyone who is familiar with the new Battlestar Galactica, do you think it might be possible that VEDA might, along with its other functions, accommodate

Spoiler for nuBSG:

the kind of distance-download technology seen aboard a Cylon Resurrection Ship?

Perhaps the Innovators are

Spoiler for BSG again:

akin to the numberous Cylon clones - indeed, one might guess that Tieria and Ribbons might be as distinct form the other Innovators as the first seven Cylon models are from the Final Five...

...although, it would not be surprising at all if only Ribbons knew about that aspect, and kept that information from the others.

if they could do that wouldn't they of already done it with bring and devine so the innovators can increase their man power and have more guys to fight CB but the anew dieing scene would of been a waste if she just came back like that

[furato]

So far we've seen the Innovators fate in relation to their names

Bring Stabity was brought to stab
Devine Nova went down in a supernova
Revive Revival revived his 'sister'
Anew Returner turned and returned

So what do you think is in store for Hilling Care, Regene Regetta and Ribbons Almark?

[lohtan86]

I find it weird that Ribbon's control over Anew was terminated by the GN particles coming out of the Trans-Am 00-raiser. If particles are used as a medium for quantum brainwaves wouldn't it make his control even better?

Anyway bringing back Anew would be in bad taste =/

[Dream_Traveller]

She's dead...unless being exposed to space and being vapourized somehow doesn't kill someone.

[Zenemis]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

She's dead...unless being exposed to space and being vapourized somehow doesn't kill someone.

Yeah, I wonder who would be guilty of that >_>

[LordStrike]

Originally Posted by lohtan86

I find it weird that Ribbon's control over Anew was terminated by the GN particles coming out of the Trans-Am 00-raiser. If particles are used as a medium for quantum brainwaves wouldn't it make his control even better?

Anyway bringing back Anew would be in bad taste =/

yea but we are talking that the particles emitted by 00 raiser are different from the normal drive maybe not in quality but in quantity and maybe even in pureness look how 00 is changing setsuna and nothing is happening to the others the strange thingy happens only wen setsuna goes in to TA mode

[Rising Dragon]

Setsuna's changing, right? Do you think Saji's changing as well, just at a slower pace? He's only missed two or three 00 Raiser Trans-AMs, so he may have almost as much progress as Setsuna, just nothing happening to him (getting injured, etc) to show for it.

[DensetsuShun]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Setsuna's changing, right? Do you think Saji's changing as well, just at a slower pace? He's only missed two or three 00 Raiser Trans-AMs, so he may have almost as much progress as Setsuna, just nothing happening to him (getting injured, etc) to show for it.

Exactly, he hasn't been exposed to a (lethal)dosage of GN Particles yet. I think that plays a factor. Maybe Lasse should consider piloting the 0 Raiser

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

SO like...Setsuna is KINDA turning into an Innovator of some sorts.

And some rumors about the upcoming episodes are saying that his battle with Graham. His eyes light up, just like the Innovators. My question is, what is he interfacing with?

[LordStrike]

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

SO like...Setsuna is KINDA turning into an Innovator of some sorts.

And some rumors about the upcoming episodes are saying that his battle with Graham. His eyes light up, just like the Innovators. My question is, what is he interfacing with?

maybe the world or something one thing is clear what ever setsu-chan in changing it can be said that it is better than an innovator as he is 100% human no additives and coloring

maybe microsoft windows Vista 2120 XD or the new i Veda :P

[furato]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Setsuna's changing, right? Do you think Saji's changing as well, just at a slower pace? He's only missed two or three 00 Raiser Trans-AMs, so he may have almost as much progress as Setsuna, just nothing happening to him (getting injured, etc) to show for it.

Maybe it's something you can only get if you're injured first? Or specifically, infested with cell-degeneration due to red GN particles? Because right now there are two candidate Innovators in the show: Setsuna and Louise, both got GN Cancer but the treatment method is different. Even then it's still vague to understand what it means to be a human-Innovator, does Ribbons mean Louise will at one point stop aging?

[lohtan86]

Originally Posted by furato

Maybe it's something you can only get if you're injured first? Or specifically, infested with cell-degeneration due to red GN particles? Because right now there are two candidate Innovators in the show: Setsuna and Louise, both got GN Cancer but the treatment method is different. Even then it's still vague to understand what it means to be a human-Innovator, does Ribbons mean Louise will at one point stop aging?

Got another renegade candidate. Nena =/

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Setsuna's changing, right? Do you think Saji's changing as well, just at a slower pace? He's only missed two or three 00 Raiser Trans-AMs, so he may have almost as much progress as Setsuna, just nothing happening to him (getting injured, etc) to show for it.

Well, Saji was there during episode 19's 7x normal particle production. So, I'd say it's only a matter of time before he's sensing OBW.

[astranagun]

I don't know if this was already posted or not:

Spoiler for Innovators' names:

If one takes Tieria Erde as Green Earth, and considers his possible ties with the Innovators, omitting repeats, their names spell out (among other things) Reborn Angel's Healing Care Regenerates and Revives the Green Earth, Bringing Stability

[kanon78]

*maybe offtopic but couldn't find a more appropriate thread in the Gundam forum to write this in so...*
too bad Ribbons (sunrise/scriptwriters) never thought of using Nena Trinity and Hilling Care under wingcommander Ali as his special taskforce for some real psycho action on the battlefield

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by kanon78

*maybe offtopic but couldn't find a more appropriate thread in the Gundam forum to write this in so...*
too bad Ribbons (sunrise/scriptwriters) never thought of using Nena Trinity and Hilling Care under wingcommander Ali as his special taskforce for some real psycho action on the battlefield

Well, Nena isn't exactly an accomplished pilot. She's always been in a support role--as has been stated before, she couldn't hit stationary Tierin mobile suits. Plus, Nena would never work with Ali. Ribbons might not know that, but Ali sure as hell would.

[Aznavour0079]

i can see ali having a bigger role in the series' finale; dont really expect him to just "obey" his boss

what's ironic is ribbons may also have plans to eliminate ali, so it would really go to who would backstab who first.

[Seibee]

The spoilers mention

Spoiler for spoiler! or a rumour, or whatever:

Setsuna having 'gold' eyes. The Innovators' eyes are kind of rainbowish, as are Louise's when she gets switched on, which may have something to do with the nanomachines. Them being gold may be a side-effect of having quantum brainwaves. Nena and Soma have them, and Allelujah has one. *shrugs* I dunno.