Methods and Possibilities for Defeating Accelerator [Speculation]

[Haigon]

Originally Posted by hamazura

calculation on particle level? Just how smart accel really is? he didnt attend school right? just how the hell accel know about plasma, remove oxygen by electriity and stuff -_-

30 degree celcius is scalar
200byte is scalar
Just how the hell he can repel it and rewrite the last order data -_-

10,000 sisters is only half of his original calculation output.

And he don't reflect heat itself, but the heat flux.

[hamazura]

Originally Posted by Haigon

10,000 sisters is only half of his original calculation output.

And he don't reflect heat itself, but the heat flux.

Well, sisters are idiot, took 10.030 retry to found out accel power, and its accel himself who told her
10.000 idiot brain combined wont even match einstein brain
so basically my question is, how many einstein brain needed to reach accel calculation level? -_-

[dniv]

Originally Posted by hamazura

Well, sisters are idiot, took 10.030 retry to found out accel power, and its accel himself who told her
10.000 idiot brain combined wont even match einstein brain
so basically my question is, how many einstein brain needed to reach accel calculation level? -_-

Probably a lot actually. The calculations he makes are ridiculous. Unless we assume that he does them subconsciously and that his esper ability helps him do it without actually consciously thinking about it. If so, then he isn't actually that smart. He is just subconsciously good at that and it happens to be a learned skill. He might not be able to do other advanced intellectual things. Just because he can perform complex calculations using his subconscious (something everyone can do in fact, just not that complex maybe normally), doesn't make him smart in general.

Also, before that happened

Spoiler for railgun s episode 4:

the experiments were performed inside en mass. This means he didn't hold back and easily won. He didn't take his time with them.

If they happened that quickly, it makes sense why they wouldn't learn anything. Also, if you think about it. The clones have their emotions encoded into them.

AC still can't truly model a brain (NO NT ALLOWED!) so they can't actually make them smart enough to learn quickly.

Another good explanation instead of not being to make a brain is that being able to make a brain would be VERY COSTLY and would probably TAKE ALOT of ASSETS so they would rather have cheap experimental lab-rats instead that are only 1800 yen. I hope that explains why they aren't that smart.

[Lulu Vie Britania]

Originally Posted by dniv

Probably a lot actually. The calculations he makes are ridiculous. Unless we assume that he does them subconsciously and that his esper ability helps him do it without actually consciously thinking about it. If so, then he isn't actually that smart. He is just subconsciously good at that and it happens to be a learned skill. He might not be able to do other advanced intellectual things. Just because he can perform complex calculations using his subconscious (something everyone can do in fact, just not that complex maybe normally), doesn't make him smart in general.

In general, he is the smartest guy in AC. Kamachi clearly showed it. He can do many other intelectual things, not only great calculations. And what you said is actually wrong. To reach the master level and to make your skill perfect, you must start as the beginner and train and train. If it was really that simple, too many people would be the levels 5. As long as he is number 1, he has the number 1 brain. And the work of his brain definitely shows its smartness.
Vol.3:

But Accelerator managed to perfectly revise that huge set of equations in less than 10 seconds. His brain had developed to the point that something of that level was no problem. In Academy City, power development was part of the teaching method, so Academy City's strongest espers were also Academy City's greatest honor students. If there was a wind user with the processing power needed to outdo Accelerator's ability and equations, that person would definitely be designated a Level 5.

Vol.5:

In Academy City, where the school curriculum included esper development, the strongest esper in Academy City also had the strongest brain. Having accurately calculated all the air particle flow in the entire city before, Accelerator used all his thoughts to find a way to solve this.
Lonely and weak, he laughed at himself, then inserted the disk into the notepad-sized computer. He quickly scanned through the data that was scrolling at waterfall-like speed, reading all the data. It took him 52 seconds to finish reading, 48 seconds to close his eyes to remember, and 65 seconds to compare what he had memorized to the data on the screen.

If it doesn't show the vastness of the intellectual work that he performs, I hope there will be people who will explain it better.

[OH&S]

Originally Posted by hamazura

I think gravity is vector (cmiiw)
or we can list all possible attack which arent a vector here -_-
Temperature attack may work because thats a scalar right?
So lv.5 uiharu > accelerator

Not just directed at hamazura, but any others who are thinking along these lines:

NO. A Level 5 Uiharu CANNOT defeat Accelerator. Just because something is of high temperature doesnt mean that it is hot.
ie Temperature ≠ how hot or cold something is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXT012us9ng The temperature (scalar) itself doesnt hurt, the heat flux (vector) does.

Also, There are no such things as SCALAR attacks (at least on the science side). If you think of a scalar as something that holds information, then there is always a paired vector to transfer that information on to other objects. Because of the above, that Accelerator's power is control over something so fundamental and paired with the fact that he technically is Academy City's smartest honour student; these are the very reasons why he is nigh invincible on the Science side of things. Not undefeatable though if you know what to exploit and have the appropriate ability (see my earlier post). However, Mikoto does not have either of these points so she cannot win, especially in her mental state.

Gravity is not a vector, it is a force. Acceleration due to gravity IS a vector. Accelerator needs to manually let it affect him.

Espers who can control gravity itself on a macro scale are IMPOSSIBLE under the Academy City Curriculum. So please do not think up a theoretical Academy City gravity esper to combat Accelerator. The graviton bomber could only move gravitons on a micro scale so he is allowed. There are technical reasons as to why this is but it is one the main focuses in the latest novels. So not in this thread.

[kukuru]

Beat accelerator isn't hard by any means, it just requires more resources and exposure then Misaka can afford, or even consider.

It's simple, you don't fight a strong force with a stronger force, you fight the the ability he has to maintain a stronger force, i.e. his human side. Stamina.

After all Misaka herself experienced near defeat from simply prolong active combat of hit and run sneak attacks.

Misaka imouto had the right idea of destroying all the oxygen in the area, but it could have easily take a gorilla approach, and slowly drain accelerator out due to mental and physical stress.

Of course it would get the whole city involved and who knows how tricky it is to maintain such a large siege on accelerator.

[zero7090]

question, index 2 acc went nut and got a black wings. Did he up lv 6 or just limit breaker?

[Ilidsor]

Spoiler for Index LNs:

^Actually we're still not entirely sure what that was. Kamachi apparently has a thing for avoiding explaining his protagonist's powers. The fan made term for it is Awakening.

It's highly unlikely that it was level six, but all we know for sure is that it makes him a lot stronger.

[Chaos2Frozen]

You'll probably need to spoiler label it.

[Yui Is My Wife]

Just wondering, as indirect force that does not cause direct contact seems to work on Accelerator, would a Cryo-Kineticist (one who controls the cold) snap freezing the air around Accelerator andturning him Into a human Popsicle without hitting him work?

[Ilidsor]

Yes, if they did it fast enough that he didn't have the time to create heat. They would have to be pretty strong, but it could be done.

[Rising Dragon]

No, because as he said a couple episodes back, he can reflect that too.

[Ilidsor]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

No, because as he said a couple episodes back, he can reflect that too.

He can't reflect stuff from hitting the air around him. If they were targeting him he could stop it but not if they targeted the air.

[StaticLord]

Originally Posted by Ilidsor

He can't reflect stuff from hitting the air around him. If they were targeting him he could stop it but not if they targeted the air.

Wait. The idea is to cool down the air around Accel to extremely low temperatures, and letting him freeze to death, yes?

Accelerator was bathing his feet in lava, if the heat it created didin't kill him I fail to see how cold could harm him in any way.

[Ilidsor]

Originally Posted by StaticLord

Wait. The idea is to cool down the air around Accel to extremely low temperatures, and letting him freeze to death, yes?

Accelerator was bathing his feet in lava, if the heat it created didin't kill him I fail to see how cold could harm him in any way.

Well heat is a physical thing, therefore he can reflect it. Cold isn't a thing it's just the absence of heat. He can't reflect the absence of something.

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by Ilidsor

Well heat is a physical thing, therefore he can reflect it. Cold isn't a thing it's just the absence of heat. He can't reflect the absence of something.

But the cold affect people because the difference in temperature make us loses heat. Accelerator is likely able to stop the heat from escaping his body. It may be a problem if he stays in the cold for too long.

[Ilidsor]

^That's why I specified it would have to be fast. If he noticed it in time to stop it then he could, but if he didn't he would die.

[R.LocK]

Originally Posted by Ilidsor

^That's why I specified it would have to be fast. If he noticed it in time to stop it then he could, but if he didn't he would die.

Why would it be a problem for him if he can simply preserve the heat in his own body? Surely, shock from drastic change of temperature is an issue, but I doubt that it's not included in his calculations.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

If a Level-ZERO bookworm like Kihara could beat albino-sociopath into a bloody pulp just by knowing the EXACT moment of when to pull his punches so his fists get sucked into Accelerator by his powers, then a Wing-Chun Kung-Fu master who has an even stronger degree of control over his fists would absolutely destroy the little bastard.

Calling Kihara Amata a "Level-0 bookworm" is a bit stretching it....

Originally Posted by hamazura

calculation on particle level? Just how smart accel really is? he didnt attend school right? just how the hell accel know about plasma, remove oxygen by electriity and stuff -_-

30 degree celcius is scalar
200byte is scalar
Just how the hell he can repel it and rewrite the last order data -_-

If heat is merely just a number quantity then sure....but it isn't

[Ilidsor]

Originally Posted by R.LocK

Why would it be a problem for him if he can simply preserve the heat in his own body? Surely, shock from drastic change of temperature is an issue, but I doubt that it's not included in his calculations.

Why would it be? The only thing's that we've seen included in his 'filter' are very obvious threats such as physical attacks and stuff like that.