2008-09-26, 04:59 | Link #62 | |
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No, because that's a waste of energy. And from there you get the common shounen action concept of holding back. Especially since most of these manga have limitations on how much energy people can exert (be it spirit, chakra, or normal physicality), it just doesn't make sense to go all-out from the beginning unless you know you stand no chance otherwise. A better example would be to take Luffy from OP; Should Luffy use Gear 2nd and 3rd at every chance he gets, even when he clearly overmatches his opponent? Of course not, because even they are his A-game techniques, both of them have significant drawbacks. A lot of people ask, "Why didn't he just do that in the first place?" Well, that's unfair because we get watch from an omniscient 3rd person view. The person fighting doesn't know how things will pan out in the first place. The generally strategy is not to exert yourself early, or you end up worn out and at a tactical disadvantage later on. |
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2008-09-26, 06:09 | Link #65 |
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I wonder did Halibel brought along with her the 3 fraccion she has that was shown during the grimjaw/ichigo fight....cause they look fodder to me with there lame personalities which is identicle to ukitates seated officers.
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2008-09-26, 11:45 | Link #67 |
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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I agree and disagree here. I agree, as I previously stated, that Ichigo needs to lose to Ulqi if he is a VL. It would just downplay the strength of the VL's too much for Ichigo to beat one now. I mean he barely beat Grimmjow so how is he going to beat a VL unless plotkai occurs as usual. But I disagree that Ichigo won't need another powerup. He just isn't strong enough yet. You are assuming Vizard is equal to VL but I would be disappointed greatly if VL weren't much stronger than the Vizards (after all only Shinji and Ichigo really look powerful out of the Vizards). The only way that I can see Vizards turning out to be VL level is if Urahara or Yoruichi (or Aizen, Gin, and Tousen for that matter) is actually a Vizard!!
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2008-09-26, 12:50 | Link #69 |
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Okay... So I'll admit Koma's bankai is pretty badass looking. It looks kind of like a massive medieval night. When I look at Po all I can think of is that children's song... "Baby beluga in the deep blue sea... swims so far and he swims so free..."
And just to stay on point, because there is far too much OT-ness going around, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a hairy chest and size absolutely matters. It just means you're more of a man is all.
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2008-09-26, 14:58 | Link #72 | |
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All of these characters charged into battle without their A-game and all of them either recieved a serious amount of unnecessary damage, or completely lost or sometimes even killed... in each case they put their lives at serious risk by not using their A-game from the start.... with only a slight difference in the situations some characters could have killed/beaten before they could bring their A-game (see: D-roy), and in other cases some characters could have won or atleast stood a ghost of a chance if they used their A-game from the get go. You have to ask, in which case would a captain waste more energy, health and be at a disadvantage in the long run... using Bankai for just a few seconds and giving the enemy no chance to attack, or fighting with Shikai for several minutes where the enemy might have enough skill to do some damage before being killed? Quite frankly, the negatives of holding back far outweigh the negatives of going all out from the get go... not to mention that that i don't think we have seen much of anything on the limits of Bankai |
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2008-09-26, 15:03 | Link #73 |
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As far as anyone knows, the Captains of the Soul Society are very proficient and efficient at the usage of their bankai, having mastered it with decades of training (Save for Kenpachi, of course)...Hitsugaya seems to have a limit of some sort to his own bankai (Shown by the pedals that float behind him that disintegrate over the course of it's release), understandable since he's still at a relatively young age, but even Hitsugaya seems to be able to weld bankai without personal repercussion...I don't think bankai really wears out the user as much as the actual fighting and exertion of spiritual pressure do...
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2008-09-26, 15:11 | Link #74 | |
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i think the only time i recall seeing a shimgami having trouble calling their Bankai was when they are close to death/dying... like in the case of Renji vs Byakuya |
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2008-09-26, 15:20 | Link #75 | |
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Ichigo need not apply, since he's a n00b that breaks all known laws of physics, so bankai logic isn't the same with him (Though he's still in the same boat as Ikkaku and Renji)...
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2008-09-26, 17:23 | Link #76 | |
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Also, if the enemy is clever, they may be able to use information from seeing bankai powers to develop tactics against it, like Szyael did. It's hard to determine exactly who could be watching and what they could do with info, so it's probably better to avoid using that power unnecessarily altogether. In Koma's case, I think it was pretty justified to "test the waters" before using bankai. Afterall, Po only beat a 3rd seat, no need to assume bankai is needed immediately. After taking a blow, He found that Po's strength was nothing special, but he was enough of a pest in released form to warrant using bankai. Seems like it, but I think I remember Ichigo mentioning something about how staying in bankai form was wearing on him after he fought Dol. Anyways, I think that seems right.
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- Great chapter, as expected. One hit kill from bankai, good stuff =D |
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2008-09-26, 19:43 | Link #80 | |
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