Methods and Possibilities for Defeating Accelerator [Speculation]

[leukrota]

Originally Posted by hamazura

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objection, accel getting close to touma all the time like a stupid donkey

Isn't it pure irony? Not long before he was chiding the Sisters for being slow learners.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

More importantly as stated,

Spoiler for The Man REALLY in charge of the To Aru Majutsu No Index Universe:

Upside-Down-Boy Aliester Crowley

will NOT be able to restart time for Accelerator to keep him alive for his nefarious plans, as The World and Star Platinum creates SEPERATE PARALELL realities COMPLETELY outside his juristiction!!

The bastard won't even be able to observe the "fight" (read, ONE SIDED ASS-BEATING ) that follows, much less rig it in Accelerator's favor.

Not going to reply to this,, i.e. explain why, but from what I know about that *thing* you are still wrong even if that is true

It's way too much of a spoiler to try to explain my point... sorry... especially since he might eventually become relevant in railgun maybe?

[Phibrizzo]

Broken lol

Spoiler for Novel info:

Vento of the front can possible beat him
With proper knowledge Terra of the left

For really broken characters Fiamma of the right... honestly he have showcast more power than even Othinus at this point (even if plot wise Othinis is stronger now)

Some assumition go with the no limit falacy so Goku and Superman should be able to pull a win.

Mazoku from slayers can doit, hell even mages

Its not casting magic on accelerator but make him cast magic but making move in a way he is casting a spell.

[Gray Servant]

Spoiler for Novel Info:

Fiamma can definitely beat Accel. Fiamma's attack specifically doesn't have any speed or force, which means it doesn't have a vector.

[Yui Is My Wife]

Just confirming; can Accelerator Delect Ambient Clouds of Disease/Bacteria/Virus that don't have vector forces?

[Ilidsor]

He could blow them away with the wind.

[Yui Is My Wife]

Oh just checking, because if he wasn't aware of the presence of the virus...

Because there is a sociopathic Mafia-Assassin called Chocolata from the Jojo-verse who can ALSO destroy Accelerator, and without even touching him, at that.

You see, Chocolata's Stand "Green Day" (yes, Araki is a HUGE fan of Western Music) once unlocked turns ALL the air beneath his altitude into a invisible miasma and soup of disease that will melt your flesh in seconds if you do not rise above HIS altitude. For example, if he invokes "Green Day" while having a coffee on the third floor, every-living-thing within his 50 Meter Radius on the ground, first AND second floor will die choking on their own melted flesh before rotting into a skeleton.

So all Chocolata needs to do is to fly a helicopter outside Accelerator's jump range (which is what he did to Jojo the 5th), turn on Green Day, and then....

[CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED]

Poor Accelerator would not last 3 minutes in the pure-undistilled Badass that is the Jojo Universe.

[Miraluka]

Miasma has cectors, you argument is invalid.... =___=;

[dniv]

Here's a serious one (totally not serious):

Have Accelerator go to the world of Bobobobobobo (I think I spelled that wrong... ) and if see if he can beat the monsters there... I'm not sure he can... A little more seriously... How about a One Piece character (I'll spoiler this because it's from a late arc... BTW I started 4 days ago... I watch fast )

Spoiler for end of marineford arc character:

Blackbeard can just steal Accelerator's power right? That would be kind of scary to see...

Trolololololol

[kukuru]

Originally Posted by leukrota

The distance wouldn't matter, he can reflect teleporting attacks.

Also, I think you have the wrong idea about what a level 6 is, it's not a simple increased ability, but something more reality changing, going by how it's defined.

I think you have the wrong idea. The "levels" is a decently standard one used across many universes of the same genre. After all they are of scientific base.

In the end it's simple calculation power.

Anyone of level6+ quality should be able to defeat a level5, and vice-versa, (external help not withstanding, aka equipingt a lower level with additional firepower/favorablity, like level upper or better weapons (sisters))

A level 6 teleporter for instance, Accelerator wouldn't be able to reflect it because a level6 would simply over power his calculations with significant force, that accelerator can't handle the processing power compensation

it's not simply reflection, or changing vectors, ex: for every 6 changes an enemy ESPer would make, accelerator can only compensate for 5 of them and so on.

Of course abilities and battle experience matters, but that's like a drag race. The stronger engine is going to win in a head-to-head fight, no matter how you hit it.

Say a teleporter tries to teleport a bomb into accelerator, accelerator would deflect it with any method of scientific means, then the teleporter would teleport his reflection attempt back at him, and the circle becomes the one who has superior calculation.

It doesn't matter if it's a n00b who can TK, or some with more exotic abilities, The raw power is going to come into play, because simply, I can think faster then you do.

Of course as we have seen, increase levels means a order of calculations to achieve higher "complex" abilities. Aka, in RPGs you can't get the abilities until you met the required prerequisites.

Even multants won't help here as they are grounded in scientific principles. Accelerator's calculation to "normalize" his environment can't be superseded until you either:

1: nullify his power and thus bypassing the rules of physics (aka image breaker)
2: over power his calculations thus you gain control of the environment (a lvl6, more powerful force etc)

Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei battles makes this very clear. In a clash, both sides are basically overwriting writing nature with their powers. The stronger opponent in the end is going to gain control through sheer amount of calculations that the weaker can't compensate for.

BTW captain america's shield shows how marvel is...not very grounded... Something that can reflect everything is not "science" since an object can't not reverse vectors simply well..physics. There must be constant source of energy sustaining this phenomenon, so if Accelerator's calculation is greater then cap is gone, and if less, accelerator is gone. Though the shield is not omnidirectional like accelerator...so easy to bypass.

[demino_hellsin]

That idea of overpowering each other is only under assumption that both wield a similar power in a similar fashion. Accelerator may only lose to that teleporter if the teleporter can calculate faster than he does on a 3D plane and connecting it to the 11th dimension. That is you are not taking into account the possibility he can totally shut out the 11th dimension around him passively. Which means he doesn't have to race because it has been running the whole time. It is less like a drag race and more resembling trying to overtake someone already at the finish line.

To aru has never been like dragon ball where the stronger ones always win. You need to fight smart too.

[Lulu Vie Britania]

Originally Posted by dniv

Here's a serious one (totally not serious):

Have Accelerator go to the world of Bobobobobobo (I think I spelled that wrong... ) and if see if he can beat the monsters there... I'm not sure he can... A little more seriously... How about a One Piece character (I'll spoiler this because it's from a late arc... BTW I started 4 days ago... I watch fast )

Spoiler for end of marineford arc character:

Blackbeard can just steal Accelerator's power right? That would be kind of scary to see...

Trolololololol

Hmm, could you say how does he steal powers? I've seen some characters who steal powers through the electrical impulse so I understood it wouldn't work on him.

[Bakaizer]

accelerator's powers are not even from a devil fruit, so it will not be nullified by blackbeard's DF ability

[dniv]

Originally Posted by nikohowell

accelerator's powers are not even from a devil fruit, so it will not be nullified by blackbeard's DF ability

You never know... Oda and Kamachi could be in correspondence with their universes... they both write great manga/novels but yeah maybe he did XD

[hamazura]

Originally Posted by nikohowell

accelerator's powers are not even from a devil fruit, so it will not be nullified by blackbeard's DF ability

and i hope that oda will add "vector vector no mi" user in the future

[lazydoggamer]

Originally Posted by kukuru

I think you have the wrong idea. The "levels" is a decently standard one used across many universes of the same genre. After all they are of scientific base.

In the end it's simple calculation power.

Anyone of level6+ quality should be able to defeat a level5, and vice-versa, (external help not withstanding, aka equipingt a lower level with additional firepower/favorablity, like level upper or better weapons (sisters))

A level 6 teleporter for instance, Accelerator wouldn't be able to reflect it because a level6 would simply over power his calculations with significant force, that accelerator can't handle the processing power compensation

it's not simply reflection, or changing vectors, ex: for every 6 changes an enemy ESPer would make, accelerator can only compensate for 5 of them and so on.

Of course abilities and battle experience matters, but that's like a drag race. The stronger engine is going to win in a head-to-head fight, no matter how you hit it.

Say a teleporter tries to teleport a bomb into accelerator, accelerator would deflect it with any method of scientific means, then the teleporter would teleport his reflection attempt back at him, and the circle becomes the one who has superior calculation.

It doesn't matter if it's a n00b who can TK, or some with more exotic abilities, The raw power is going to come into play, because simply, I can think faster then you do.

Of course as we have seen, increase levels means a order of calculations to achieve higher "complex" abilities. Aka, in RPGs you can't get the abilities until you met the required prerequisites.

Even multants won't help here as they are grounded in scientific principles. Accelerator's calculation to "normalize" his environment can't be superseded until you either:

1: nullify his power and thus bypassing the rules of physics (aka image breaker)
2: over power his calculations thus you gain control of the environment (a lvl6, more powerful force etc)

Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei battles makes this very clear. In a clash, both sides are basically overwriting writing nature with their powers. The stronger opponent in the end is going to gain control through sheer amount of calculations that the weaker can't compensate for.

BTW captain america's shield shows how marvel is...not very grounded... Something that can reflect everything is not "science" since an object can't not reverse vectors simply well..physics. There must be constant source of energy sustaining this phenomenon, so if Accelerator's calculation is greater then cap is gone, and if less, accelerator is gone. Though the shield is not omnidirectional like accelerator...so easy to bypass.

And Accelerator is just gonna stand still while this is happening? He can easily speed up to the teleporter and kill them and ignore this whole silly loop. Besides I don't think a level 6 teleporter could overpower Accelerator because every single one of their powers is based on vectors that Accelerator can deflect and he can modify the sheild to protect from new vectors as well. The only human off the top of my head that can overpower Accelerator with sheer force is Fiamma.

[leukrota]

@kukuru - Don't use other fiction's logic/examples to validate your thoughts on this, that's not how it works.

To understand it better you would probably need to read the novels, but try reading wiki's entry for SYSTEM(aka level 6) at the least. Level 6 is not just a power progression.

I indeed think that a level 6 teleporter (assuming it's existence is possible) would be able to defeat level 5 Accelerator, but not because of the teleportation ability.

[Bakaizer]

i'm gonna add kumagawa (medaka Box) and his "all-fiction " ability

[LazyHunter]

Originally Posted by nikohowell

i'm gonna add kumagawa (medaka Box) and his "all-fiction " ability

To be fair to Accelerator Kumagawa with All Fiction can defeat practically every fictional character ever because he could just unmake them and end the fight in less that one second if he really wanted to. And people complain about Accelerator being hax

[Accel219]

I wonder if accelerator can reflect a galaxy thrown to him by ttgl