To Aru Majutsu no Index II - Episode 23 Discussion / Poll

[Sandinwater]

Oh god know where gonna start talking about religion? I know that this story is based on religion but lol know where gonna start talking about our religion?

[mysterious]

Originally Posted by judasmartel

Hmmm. Indeed. It's like showing the Church's dark side in the past in the present times. And it's not like there's a way we can tell whether the Church is corrupt or not nowadays.

You must have not read the news. A lot of child abuse cases that are covered up by the church are coming to light and reported on the news. The church isnt corrupted? not on this earth.

[Aki-Furaba]

well putting anti-christianity issues aside, i can see how in the end kamachi kazuma will ultimately show the integrity between science and magic.
[aleister based his scientific advancement based on magic remember? and how index's logic based on magic works on last order - which somehow causes accelerator to evolve to level 6, which is a resemblance to angelic being (ep. 22)?]

in the story, i wouldn't say the church is "corrupt". aleister betrayed the magic side, and he had a plan that involves magicians around the world to get hurt (fuze=kazakiri) - so the church want to defend themselves by doing a pre-emptive strike. From the magic side's point of view, the church are the good guys who want to defend them.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Aki-Furaba

in the story, i wouldn't say the church is "corrupt". aleister betrayed the magic side, and he had a plan that involves magicians around the world to get hurt (fuze=kazakiri) - so the church want to defend themselves by doing a pre-emptive strike. From the magic side's point of view, the church are the good guys who want to defend them.

Except they only learn of this after they attacked Academy CIty, before it they were simply trying to wrestle power from the Science Side.

[Tokugashi]

Originally Posted by Aki-Furaba

well putting anti-christianity issues aside, i can see how in the end kamachi kazuma will ultimately show the integrity between science and magic.
[aleister based his scientific advancement based on magic remember? and how index's logic based on magic works on last order - which somehow causes accelerator to evolve to level 6, which is a resemblance to angelic being (ep. 22)?]

in the story, i wouldn't say the church is "corrupt". aleister betrayed the magic side, and he had a plan that involves magicians around the world to get hurt (fuze=kazakiri) - so the church want to defend themselves by doing a pre-emptive strike. From the magic side's point of view, the church are the good guys who want to defend them.

WAIT WHAT:

Spoiler for possible spoiler.:

That stuff about him evolving to a level 6 better not be an freaking spoiler or I'm going to be pissed.

I really freaking hope not.

[tsunade666]

He didn't evolve into level 6. Even in the latest one. That's kinda false information.
He did awakened but not level up. And awakening and turning into level 6 are both different thing.

[Tokugashi]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

He didn't evolve into level 6. Even in the latest one. That's kinda false information.
He did awakened but not level up. And awakening and turning into level 6 are both different thing.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I don't understand the whole "awakening" thing though. I mean, he's got a bigger battery in his shock collar now lol. Is that it?

[Malkuth]

Hey, let's put things into perspective here; if catholics and anglicans feel offended by the depiction of their faith, then satanists (left hand path variant), and scientists must be having constant seizures with the depiction of their faith (the former), and science more or less as magick (the later). At least for the two christian cults there is a vague basis into their history, while for the other cult and science there absolutely nothing similar, save for names

[outerelf]

Originally Posted by Tokugashi

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I don't understand the whole "awakening" thing though. I mean, he's got a bigger battery in his shock collar now lol. Is that it?

No, it's not. It's the black wings that means he's 'awakened' as you can clearly hear Index say its like Telesema, but at the same time it isn't.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by outerelf

No, it's not. It's the black wings that means he's 'awakened' as you can clearly hear Index say its like Telesema, but at the same time it isn't.

In before people ask the next obvious question- Telesma is the stuff the Christian Angels are made of.

[kache]

Nice episode.
I guess they will focus on sidestories for the moment and leave the War for the next season, right?

[Tokugashi]

Originally Posted by Malkuth

Hey, let's put things into perspective here; if catholics and anglicans feel offended by the depiction of their faith, then satanists (left hand path variant), and scientists must be having constant seizures with the depiction of their faith (the former), and science more or less as magick (the later). At least for the two christian cults there is a vague basis into their history, while for the other cult and science there absolutely nothing similar, save for names

I'm not either, just sayin'. It's like propaganda.

[kaizerknight01]

Well for me, this series is about fantasy and combined with science fiction , it not meant to be taken seriously. The fun and interesting part of this series is the story telling aspect. Each character has his/her on personal point of view regardless of any faction (Magic or Science)

[kache]

Originally Posted by kaizerknight01

Well for me, this series is about fantasy and combined with science fiction , it not meant to be taken seriously. The fun and interesting part of this series is the story telling aspect. Each character has his/her on personal point of view regardless of any faction (Magic or Science)

True, but imagine what have this been if the author had complete information about everything...
It's already an amazing work like this. In that case it would have been nothing less than a total masterpiece...

[I_am_Kami]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

He didn't evolve into level 6. Even in the latest one. That's kinda false information.
He did awakened but not level up. And awakening and turning into level 6 are both different thing.

Sooooooo different.

[giorno]

Originally Posted by Tokugashi

This is a lot of religious jargon that most people don't know about, but it all links back to the satanic studies of Aliester Crowley, who had a character named after him:



The symbols that the magicians write are actual spiritual summons made by Crowley. Not only that but like I said before, Crowley was the actual publisher of the Liber Al Vegis. His parents even called him "The Beast" because of how evil he is. Even though it's wrapped in conspiracy, he is believed a member of the O.T.O(look it up).

The Index character isn't named after Aleister Crowley: IT IS ALEISTER CROWLEY.

btw: his studies weren't satanic in any way. In fact, he did not believe in 'Satan' at all...(unless you're using 'satanic' as in 'evil' and not literally as 'having to do with Satan')

[Tokugashi]

Originally Posted by giorno

The Index character isn't named after Aleister Crowley: IT IS ALEISTER CROWLEY.

btw: his studies weren't satanic in any way. In fact, he did not believe in 'Satan' at all...(unless you're using 'satanic' as in 'evil' and not literally as 'having to do with Satan')

Yeah, I mean satanic in an evil way. He definitely believed in demons and was more than happy to exploit them in a not-so-orthodox way. Named after him, is him, same difference

[Marcus H.]

And besides, Satan is also outdated if you consider Aiwass' ideas he gave to Aleister.

[Kamonichan]

Was anyone else let down by the MISAKA team's lack of involvement in this issue? I mean, the only scene I saw of them was their big pow-wow where they said they were going to do something, but ultimately that was one big anticlimax. I get the feeling they helped out a lot behind-the-scenes, but I would've liked a little more on-screen Misaka Imouto, ya know?

[eiyuu99]

They could be helping the unconscious people behind the scenes.