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It's just the Kyon Theory all over again. Not much evidence other than wild speculation. Quote:
Assuming the past was cut off the moment the symbol was drawn and the message to Orihime and Hikoboshi was sent... yeah, no, not seeing it, sorry. Besides, Nagato is already there, in her apartment. She's probably been there a few months already. Quote:
Unless you think that Kyon really does want cherry blossoms to bloom in early November or cats to talk. Besides, that line is supposed to be ironic more than anything else. Kyon isn't a side character, he's the main character, and he's rather bitter about it. Tanigawa originally wrote that prologue with the intent to make Kyon into the Esper, but it somehow didn't work so he went with it. Haruhi was originally a oneshot light novel, remember. |
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2009-08-10, 03:34 | Link #485 | |
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Sasaki is probably the originator of the power, yeah. Not Kyon. Hey, wouldn't it be hilarious if Kyon and Sasaki were actually avatars of Hikoboshi and Orihime? |
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2009-08-10, 03:36 | Link #486 |
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And before people start using this as a way to attack Koizumi during Melancholy, keep in mind that the situation of his arrival, as well as a good portion of his early dialogue, would still work if he were a slider. Possibly even better.
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2009-08-10, 03:38 | Link #487 | |
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The problem would be Haruhi had her powers before Kyon knows Sasaki. Of course, his powers could affect any time, so he could have gave the powers before don't wanting then anymore... Possible, yeah. But that don't make it true or probable. True! Hell, even his powers fit. Closed Space are just a kind of anothe dimension. |
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- The first time Kyon meets Haruhi is three years ago - The first time Haruhi displays any powers is three years ago From my perspective, this adds a significant chance towards Haruhi gaining her powers from Kyon. Since why would she choose that specific time to gain vast power she has never shown before? The reason a massive event happens is probably because she's severely unstable mentally. Sasaki is a separate issue, though she is also tied closely to Kyon. Another thing which indicates Haruhi is not the source. Kyon has a connection with them both, and they have no known connection with each other. The reason for me believing that a data lifeform is the source of this power is simple. There is no logical reason that a human would spontaneously develop massive, data-based powers from nowhere. Power has to come from somewhere, and they are the only known existence capable of it. |
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2009-08-10, 04:11 | Link #491 | ||
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Possibly, but I think the evidence stacks largely against that. Especially considering that Sasaki has similar powers, and has never even met her before. Both however know Kyon. As soon as Kyon transferred power to Haruhi, she blew a fuse in reality. Sasaki however did nothing, since she's that type of person. |
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2009-08-10, 04:26 | Link #493 | ||
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Actually. A couple lines in Vol. 10 suggests that they MIGHT have known each other.
Childhood friends, maybe? Quote:
Given BLR's clear importance... that says something. Quote:
Nagato has no reason to be on Earth, or even exist, before the 3YA event. Ergo, BLR is AFTER the 3YA event, which must take place... maybe a week after that game at Koushien? |
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My theory doesn't even align with yours on this matter anyway, and them having foreknowledge of an event isn't impossible. One might even go so far as to say that the data entity intentionally caused this event to create stimulus. [edit] I'm going to sleep now. Last edited by Nudvik; 2009-08-10 at 05:13. |
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2009-08-10, 05:25 | Link #495 |
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Things Tanigawa has said proves that he doesn't think about what he's writing as much as some fans do, and as an amateur writer myself I can see where he's coming from.
I doubt he plans out a lot of stuff years in advance as much as looks back through what he's already written for possible plot hooks. I do the same thing. No, he's saying that Kyon gave her the powers right then and there. Which is ridiculous if you actually think about it. |
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Actually, when Kyon is told about the three years ago, its early May at the latest. This suggests Haruhi's powers awoke around the beginning of her first year at middle school. BLR takes place in July, two months later. While the time travelers might not be precise with their information, I'm more certain of Yuki's suggestion of an "explosion of data" being exactly three years ago.
There is nothing that says Kyon is god...most things point to him being the key to god's powers. Being able to turn her powers on or turn them off. That is about the only possible evidence that the time quake was Mikuru and Kyon going back in time in the first place (and causing a paradox by effecting the timeline like Mikuru says can't happen). However one questions is if Haruhi has her powers yet? Why is Yuki on Earth already if Haruhi hasn't had her explosion of data? Did she arrive exactly when Kyon arrived at the appartment with Mikuru? Did Itsuki and the other espers awaken that night knowing that Haruhi was the source of their power and thus be chained to a young girls emotional state for the next three years? Does that make Kyon god? No.
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Haruhi gains her power through meeting Kyon 3 years ago and causes a time quake in the past? So yeah...
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Thanks for the help. Thanks all the same. Perhaps you'll win the race one day. |
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