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Oh, *ahem* sorry 'bout that. It just slips out sometimes. Yeah, Shadow Chronicles wasn't very good, was it? Before seeing it, my main question about it was, "Why bother?" After seeing it (I rented it from the comic shop/anime DVD rental place near me...no way I'd buy the damn thing), I was still wondering. The way anime is presented in the west has changed completely from what it was in the '80s, leaving Robotech an interesting relic. Certainly, some people seem to prefer diluted, hacked-up anime to the pure stuff, but surely those people are in the minority...right? |
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I don't *think* Harmony Gold has ever really hid the origins of RT. The history of Macross was dealt with at length in Robotech Art 1, the Comico Comic Books mentioned something about it, and I think even the novels explained where the story came from (can't remember where, though...some kind of introduction or afterword or something like that). Not to mention that Robotech.com has a forum dedicated to the originals. (I remember joining the RT fan club when I was a kid, though, writing a long letter asking for more information about the original shows...later, in the mail, I got a letter from "Rick Hunter" and "Lisa Hayes" thanking me for joining the "RDF." I was pretty disappointed.) Macross II and Macross Plus have been widely available in the West since the early-to-mid '90s, and all the other Macross stories have been discussed thoroughly in Anime magazines and blogs. So why are there a number of people out there who don't know anything about Macross? Some of it may be people who liked it when they were kids, got out of it for a long time, and only recently have dipped their feet back into the fandom. Other than that, the only reasons I can think of are willful ignorance, excessive loyalty to the Robotech name, or just plain stupidity. Harmony Gold may be ensuring that no new Macross reaches the west, but they've never hid the truth about RT from anyone. |
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2009-08-16, 03:57 | Link #227 | |
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It´s like with remakes of movies, like Pelham 123. If you haven´t seen the original version, you might hear "Ooooh, it was much better than the remake", but you´ll never know if you can´t see it. And Harmony Gold holding the Macross license hostage is ensuring that Americans at least will never see Macross ( or so they hope, I guess ).
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2009-08-16, 04:06 | Link #228 | |
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And RT was on national television, which exposed it to many people who would never have thought of picking up a VHS tape or DVD... But every Macross series IS out there, on the internet, or on DVDs with varying subtitle quality. It's getting people to try it that's the problem. Frontier's definitely been drumming up a lot of interest, thankfully. Let's hope whatever comes next for Macross does the same. (And it'd be nice to turn on the Sci-Fi channel, or Cartoon Network, or...hell, I dunno, IFC, maybe, and see DYRL sometime...wouldn't it?) |
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2009-08-16, 04:34 | Link #230 | |
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AFAIK they only started using "The Macross Saga" brand after the fact. In the "pre-war" days, it was always "Robotech the First Generation", or simply Robotech (along with Robotech - Southern Cross and Robotech - The Next Generation). |
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That's the thing, the main ship was never called the Macross in Robotech, just the SDF-1. It only ever is used to refer to "Macross Island" (which is around for all of the first 3 episodes), the reconstructed city which is hardly mentioned by name, and Miss Macross.
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Now, to be frank, "The Macross Saga' doesn't really make a whole lot of sense as a title..."The SDF-1 Saga" would've been more appropriate... |
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2009-08-16, 19:25 | Link #234 | |
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I do wonder though whether the Macross section had been only known as the First Generation, or if the "Macross Saga" tag had been used as well. As far as I can tell, it seems to differ depending on the product: the novels only used the "First Generation" tag, while other products would use the Macross name (the Palladium RPG just called the main book "Macross"). Maybe, but Macross City itself did play a very large role in the series; a thematic point given further emphasis by the novels.
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Doesn't appear to be used in the rest of the sourcebooks either. http://www.opusgames.com/toys/robotoys.html#Books |
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2009-08-17, 00:50 | Link #237 | |
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(I also hated how they transparently tried to get around the problem of the episodic nature of Mospeada by starting each new episode mid-chapter, as though that made it more cohesive, but that's neither here nor there, really.) I think the only thing I really liked about them were some of the Dune-style quotations at the beginning of each chapter. Especially turning Jamis Merin (sorry, I can't remember her Robotech name...the actress who lost to Minmay in the Miss Macross Contest) into a Shirley MacLaine-style New Ager. ...Which, as it turns out, is a far cry from who she's presented in the Macross book, "My Fair Minmay," where she'll sleep with company presidents to get what she wants, and can hold a mean grudge... |
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On a slightly different note, I get the feeling that the novels might have done a slightly better job in telling the Mospeada story than Mospeada itself did. I suspect the same is true of Southern Cross, but I have yet to watch the anime. Yeah, what else could it possibly be other than a fashion statement .
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I haven't watched the original Southern Cross yet, but I've heard that its better than its Robotech version, although it's still not supposed to be very good. (Tangentially, I think Mospeada probably benefitted the most from its inclusion in Robotech, as it has a small but devoted following outside Japan. Southern Cross, however, seems to have fallen by the wayside in both its Japanese and American incarnations. I think I've come across only two people who are big fans of the original show, and maybe two who like the Masters Saga better than Macross...and one of those is Doug Bendo, who's just crazy.) |
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