2009-10-03, 02:01 | Link #1042 | |
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Well Lambda is described as a witch who can make any one thing definietly happen, as we know. However it all depends on the wording of the wish she grants. Example: If you said you wanted to earn 10000 dollars then Lambda would grant it. However, if you waver in your will to earn that money then her certainty no longer works. So if Beatrice wanted Battler to reveal the truth then Lambda's power could make it happen. But if his will wavered to reveal that truth then the certainty no longer works. Something like that is Lambda's power. There's also the power of being able to cause certain death to any target apparently. And in EP 3 she did threaten Beato, saying that she would turn her back into a human and throw her into a miserable world. |
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2009-10-03, 03:08 | Link #1043 |
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Ah, thank you.
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Edit: I just realized that with your theory, the red text does not always tell the truth. If that's the case, there's almost no point in continuing this series...
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2009-10-03, 03:13 | Link #1044 | ||
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Why would Beatrice get involved with Lambdadelta at all if she already had enough power to create imaginary novel-like worlds? My theory is that she actually did not have enough power to create these worlds and needed Lambda's power to do it.
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2009-10-03, 03:21 | Link #1047 |
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Yeah, that works too, sorry.
Still, as far as the physical game board is concerned, it doesn't really matter. We know how Natsuhi feels about Kinzo. Whether this Kinzo is her delusion or pure meta doesn't affect the game board.
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I was more talking about how he keeps showing up and commenting on stuff, though. Quote:
a) Hanyuu (The Voyager Witches have similar powers and are effectively gods). b) Rika (Wouldn't that be a twist and a half). Or, most likely, c) Someone completely unrelated. Quote:
...Actually, couldn't that make her the girl Lambda turned into a witch? Or was that your point? |
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2009-10-03, 03:54 | Link #1049 | ||
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My point is if Beatrice got the power from Lambda then her power can only be less than or equal to that of Lambda. However, Lambda's true power is unknown so Beatrice's power is unknown.
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Most of the points you make are something that I also considered and are reasonable. there's just a few exceptions. For example you based most of your counters that it wasn't necessary for Erika to prove absolutely her claims, but considering Battler was there it was necessary, else he wouldn't let her to humiliate Natsuhi. Or for example the secret passage thing. If she couldn't prove they don't exist the discussion would pretty much end there. There was no need for Battler to climb down the third floor. Anyway the metaworld and the metascenes in ep5 are almost always intertwined with the gameboard so if I dismiss them completely there's very little that remain of the whole account of the events of the Rokkenjima of ep5, what is left I estimate to be around 10%. the rest was outright concealed or covered with lies. Quote:
Knox rules rules aren't theories now, they are well defined facts stated by the author. The Occam's razor works for theories not for facts. Of course it might happen that you got the right theory, but the more a theory is complicated the higher is the number of theories with the same level of complexity that could explain the phenomenon. So the chance that you got the right one is slim. Quote:
On the other side what kind of hints we have that Beatrice has a power related to kakera? I don't think she ever mentioned them once. Quote:
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Btw your theory also imply a modification of the concept behind the red truth. According to your perspective the red truth is not bound to reality but affects it. I can see why you came up with this interpretation, this fits well with the trial that was shown in ep5. However it looks to me that this defy the original purpose. Beatrice created the red truth to help Battler, so a "truth" had to exist. Battler needs to find the truth, not to create one.
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in the tips, 34 met a girl who wanted to become a god, granted her wish, and later met another girl who wanted to become a witch and reminded her of the first one. Quote:
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2009-10-03, 08:50 | Link #1052 | |
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I guess it all depends on how you look at the magic world. Does it really exist or is it a metaphor? If it is a metaphor the fact that Lambda made Beatrice a "witch" only means that Beatrice without the strong will and determination that Lambda represent won't be able to maintain the magic delusion she created.
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2009-10-03, 17:22 | Link #1054 |
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Two girls got mentioned in Lambda's diary. The first one asked "certainty that her efforts would pay off and she'd become a god". The second one asked to be "recognised as a witch". So, the first girl could easily be Takano and the second one Beatrice.
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2009-10-05, 01:25 | Link #1060 |
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You know, what if her real name is Maria? Rosa did say Kinzo didn't like her naming her child that way. While that on itself says little, the fact "Beatrice" used Maria's name in those letters strike me as odd. It might just be a big coincidence, though.
There's also a character who's first kanji can be somewhat interchanged with Maria's first kanji. All the same, this character was mentioned only once (in narrative). So, I think this would be too much of a stretch.
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