2012-01-01, 15:32 | Link #62 |
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Well as long as you're still enjoying it it can't really be seen as filler even if there is a lack of series momentum.
Or rather, the lack of continuous series momentum is only a bad thing from perspective. If the lack of it is not a problem to enjoying it, then it's not really a problem.
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The only established liar is Aizen (he's a damn good one at that) Because he's a liar it's NOT A RETCON. Simply because it's been established ahead of time that he lies. Hell his sword is a liar. He's a liar and tells half-truths in order to manipulate characters into doing what he wants them to do. He can be truthful when mind-screwing a person but it's usually after he said he lied or he bends the truth a little. Otherwise I have never said that characters "simply be lying" I have said that they could be mistaken because a lot of them are. It has been shown over and over again. You guys claim everything you don't remember is a retcon. If it's a retcon I would say it but I haven't seen one yet Just like people claim Kubo Retconned Tsukishima's powers and fullbringers in general and it's untrue. When you show me a retcon, then you talk smack until then. TALK TO THE HAND I find that most of times. The things that Kubo does actually comes back and bites you in the ass. Not me.... Oh god, I can't breathe....you really crack me up sometimes, you know that Please stop it before I die from a lack of air....I need my asthma pump |
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2012-01-02, 08:04 | Link #64 |
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Well...am I a fan of Tsukishima? No, I personally hate every character introduced in this arc except Riruka. Yet I still say that you CANNOT say that Tsukishima is dead for sure. Not because I'm fanboygasming but because we don't have any proof that he IS dead. I hate to repeat myself but...unless the author confirms it through a character, narration or databook (or some other source outside the manga) then you cannot state that he is dead as a pure fact. You can assume all you want since it's your opinion but facts and assumptions are completely different things.
LoP...I personally think that the reason some users focus on you is because of the overwhelming sense of superiority you give of in your posts. It feels like you think you are above everyone else. This sense of superiority is usually found in trolls, and makes people want to contradict them to bring them down a peg. Then again, that could just be my opinion... |
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For example, Soul Society easily defeating the Espada is a retcon because we were led to believe that the "fact of the matter is that the Vasto Lorde's combat abilities are above that of our captains" (Chapter 197 Page 16) and we can interpret that as exposition but many of the those Vasto Lorde's were all killed by a single captain each. Contradicting something as exposition without clarifying why they were mistaken or giving an inadequate reason is assumed to be a retcon. You don't believe that's a retcon because you simply believe that nothing can be taken as exposition. Thus, Kaien being said to have died can't be taken as exposition. In short, you can't believe anything can be a retcon because any contradiction between what characters say is not a retcon by your definition. So it's impossible for us to prove to you that anything is a retcon in Bleach. That's why you haven't seen one yet. Quote:
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2012-01-02, 15:54 | Link #68 |
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^^Can't say I disagree. But I feel Kubo began to set the precedent for this up a very long time ago (even before the SS arc officially began). *points to the gillians first intro*
And as far as retcons go, look no further than Rukia's power. From the time prior to losing her powers to the moment she got them back, she went from being normal hollow level fodder to being on par with an arrancarized-adjuchas out of nowhere and for no apparent reason. I can't think of a more obvious one than that. |
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In the SS arc, Aizen set up that super-elaborate plan to have Rukia executed by the Soukyou just to extract the hougyoku from her only to reveal at the end of the arc that he had a device he could've used any time he wanted to effortlessly remove it from her. That pretty much made his earlier plan pointless and a complete waste of time, but not too many people cared. Aizen's scheme was the catalyst for all the events in the SS arc and upcoming events depended on Aizen getting the hougyoku, so Kubo made it happen. I'm not saying you should just handwave bad writing, just realize that if you decide to break apart any work of fiction and analyze how every thing fits together, you'll find some things happen purely for the sake of plot and it's not always seamless with logic. Another thing is here that you don't just seem to be dissatisfied with the quality of the manga, you seem to dislike the fact that Kubo's not focusing on the story elements you're interested in. You say you don't care about mysteries not being answered right away, but also talk about how Kubo didn't write about the Isshin or the Spirit King. One thing I've noticed is that when readers grow dissatisfied with a story they used to find engaging, they start comparing it to how they would write it (the characters they'd focus on, the relationships they'd develop etc.) I'm not saying you're doing that, but you seem to be eager for Kubo to start writing about the things you want to see. Quote:
Also, you didn't mention the rest, like how Histugaya said that the Gotei 13 short 3 captains would not be a match for 10 VL led by Aizen. In other words, Hitsu was talking about the Gotei 13 (w/ maybe Ichigo & his gang) facing Aizen and 10 VL. It's been confirmed Aizen did not have that number, while the Gotei 13 had a number of powerful allies Hitsugaya wasn't considering like the vizards, Urahara & Yourichi. Even if you dismiss all that, calling this a retcon is a severe stretch because just saying that one warrior's combat abilities are greater is not any way saying that it's 100% that the superior fighter will win, or even that the better fighter will definitely win 6/10 times, it's just saying that one side has an advantage. Quote:
Technically, he killed Ulq. Though this is the first time he's killed when in his right mind. And it was a human opponent. So I guess he's popped his killing cherry.
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After that, I don't believe the manga ever said who was adjuchas or VL did it? |
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And Wonderweiss defeated by a single captain... yeah, freakin' captain Yamamoto. The most powerful shinigami in Soul Society's history. Yeesh... Quote:
As for overwhelming an enemy with reiatsu alone-- do you realize how insanely powerful you need to be to do that? Think about the characters that have demonstrated this ability. All of them have been captain-level. Rukia's good, but she's not a powerhouse. Quote:
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H: "if he has 10 or more we're doomed!" A: "muahaha! I have 20!" if people want to argue that only a select few of the espada were VL level because they were specifically spelled out in minute detail to be so, then they need to accordingly think that the manga makes no sense since they are dismissing this reveal entirely as just nonsense. |
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