Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon - General Discussion

[ninja_pintu]

Originally Posted by articuzwolf

yea we don't need more Ichika/Touma/"insert your generic harem lead here" as a main lead in the anime.

We want Aoi Toori!!!!

This makes me think, if Ichika/Touma/"insert your generic harem lead here" was anything like Toori, those series would have been hilarious. I mean, only thinking what would have happened to our poor tsunderes makes me laugh

[Aoi Toori]

Originally Posted by articuzwolf

yea we don't need more Ichika/Touma/"insert your generic harem lead here" as a main lead in the anime.

We want Aoi Toori!!!!

second that! but remember what I said it just a posibility, so maybe there will be some changes? at least on the ep 5 preview his expression has gotten more serious..

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

I... Do not follow this logic

Did I fall down the rabbit hole and entered some crazy reverse world ?

hmm just say that sometimes I like something unordinary, like toori.
at first I just like his face which is frowned upon on earlier page of this topic and other forum but somehow that makes me like him more!

and finally to the level I requested a name-change into his name..

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

Not really it's just that people are really taking a liking to the main lead because many have never seen this kind of character out side of an ero game...

jud. maybe there are anime characters like toori or even more weird than him. but fortunately I've never watch anime like that so toori is special for me.

[Kakkou]

Originally Posted by Aoi Toori

jud. maybe there are anime characters like toori or even more weird than him. but fortunately I've never watch anime like that so toori is special for me.

Inukami. It's the reason I knew I'd love Tori the moment I read his character description and found out Jun Fukuyama voices him.

Also, his face. That awesome smile. ( ¯‿¯)

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Kakkou

Inukami. It's the reason I knew I'd love Tori the moment I read his character description and found out Jun Fukuyama voices him.

Also, his face. That awesome smile. ( ¯‿¯)

I've been wondering where I saw that face before, and it hit me. It's Chizuru from Kanokan. It feels like the animators in Horizon also animated for Kanokan, especially consider lewd conduct and breast size.

After 4 episodes, the story is finally picking up. I still have no clue what is going on, but at least the story has moved a little bit. From what I can tell, the 4 episodes all revolved around the same day, with slight progression each episode. I do hope episode 5 actually moves from this point forward instead of reliving the same day again, which is beginning to feel like Endless Eight.

[applejuice]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

Like you said with Hadena, do not listen to Applejuice unless you want to hate Gundam Age!

lol wut. I'm just listing fact and I don't even hate Gundam Age.

Hah!

[Marcus H.]

I got Episode 4. Expect the synopsis to be completed within the next hour.

EDIT: It is done.

Thoughts:
> Was Sakakibara's knowledge of the Genesis Project a factor why he was Spirited Away?
> Just like Muneshige, I wonder why Motonobu had to sacrifice Mikawa. He could have just taken his ability to create superweapons as a bargain to regain power, although Motonobu was just too tired of being under the Testament Union in the first place.

[Suzuku]

Ohh, it sounds like the novels just might be getting a baka-tsuki dream team on them at some point in the future.

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/vie...=4370&start=30

Same team as Index + another dedicated translator? YESSSSS. Don't want to get my hopes up too high though.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Suzuku

Ohh, it sounds like the novels just might be getting a baka-tsuki dream team on them at some point in the future.

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/vie...=4370&start=30

Same team as Index + another dedicated translator? YESSSSS. Don't want to get my hopes up too high though.

Index had a team ?!?

()

[Aoi Toori]

Originally Posted by Kakkou

Also, his face. That awesome smile. ( ¯‿¯)

I can't imagine toori smile like that on more serious ep like ep 4 or 5...

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

After 4 episodes, the story is finally picking up. I still have no clue what is going on, but at least the story has moved a little bit. From what I can tell, the 4 episodes all revolved around the same day, with slight progression each episode. I do hope episode 5 actually moves from this point forward instead of reliving the same day again, which is beginning to feel like Endless Eight.

even though is happens on the same day, the story progress further every episode with a view from many different perspective. and rather than whining about it, better read the summary per episode on wiki to understand what is actually happen.
how can you understand something if you don't understand the basic. well that's if you really want to understand the story of this anime.


@Suzuku : really nice ava

[Azuma Denton]

Btw, wanna ask some silly question...

What does Judge and Gutei means??

[Aoi Toori]

Originally Posted by Azuma Denton

Btw, wanna ask some silly question...

What does Judge and Gutei means??

judge = hakim

well about jud.

Originally Posted by wiki

An abbreviation of the word "Judgment", it is the term used by affiliates of the Far East, especially the inhabitants of Musashi, as an affirmative remark. It is specifically noted as a term used by criminals in a court setting.

http://genesis-horizon.wikia.com/wiki/Episode_Glossary

gutei

Originally Posted by Allen

The kanji for "gutei" is 愚弟, so "silly brother" is a good translation. It would be perfect if it was "silly younger brother", but it's kind of big for a nickname

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=487

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Aoi Toori

even though is happens on the same day, the story progress further every episode with a view from many different perspective. and rather than whining about it, better read the summary per episode on wiki to understand what is actually happen.
how can you understand something if you don't understand the basic. well that's if you really want to understand the story of this anime.

A good anime is one that explains things to the viewer as the anime progresses. If it requires the reader to go outside the source and research on it, it is no better than telling the viewers to go buy its novels.

I understand that you have extensive knowledge on the series, and your explainations are very helpful. However, the average viewer should not be forced to go outside of anime itself to understand the content of the story.

I am trying to keep an open mind for this anime as much as I can, since I have already given it 4 episodes. I do hope every episode that the series changes it direction and become more coherent.

Also, I do hope the main character, Toori, improves as a character as well. Right now, he resembles the perverted side-kick character that always is the butt of all jokes, except he actually gets the girls for some unknown reason.

Again, as an anime only viewer, I do not want to venture into novel threads or get spoiled by looking up unexpected information. I can only go by what I see, and I do hope every episode that it explains things better.

[Suzuku]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

A good anime is one that explains things to the viewer as the anime progresses. If it requires the reader to go outside the source and research on it, it is no better than telling the viewers to go buy its novels.

Other than some superfluous details the anime has completely explained the current situation. It's just a matter of whether or not you're good at paying attention to detail.

[Azuma Denton]

Originally Posted by Aoi Toori

judge = hakim

well about jud.

http://genesis-horizon.wikia.com/wiki/Episode_Glossary

gutei

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=487

ah...
that explains it...


Thanks for the info...

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

A good anime is one that explains things to the viewer as the anime progresses. If it requires the reader to go outside the source and research on it, it is no better than telling the viewers to go buy its novels.

I understand that you have extensive knowledge on the series, and your explainations are very helpful. However, the average viewer should not be forced to go outside of anime itself to understand the content of the story.

I am trying to keep an open mind for this anime as much as I can, since I have already given it 4 episodes. I do hope every episode that the series changes it direction and become more coherent.

Also, I do hope the main character, Toori, improves as a character as well. Right now, he resembles the perverted side-kick character that always is the butt of all jokes, except he actually gets the girls for some unknown reason.

Again, as an anime only viewer, I do not want to venture into novel threads or get spoiled by looking up unexpected information. I can only go by what I see, and I do hope every episode that it explains things better.

Excellent! We're on the same page! Which part of the anime you found confusing? The adaptation's far from perfect, but I'm sure we can explain the parts you find confusing without referencing to the light novel at all.

One catch though, the staff made it clear that some terminologies explanation could not fit into the anime itself, so they made a few words for each episode and provided explanation for them online. This is the only source that we probably have to reference to.

Originally Posted by Azuma Denton

ah...
that explains it...


Thanks for the info...

Azumaaaa!!! You are watching the wrong sub!! The good sub doesn't use the term gutei at all!!! Maybe that's why you find the series more confusing than the rest of us =).

EDIT: I will laugh (and rage) SO HARD if people are getting confused because that group's "translation" is screwing people over.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Suzuku

Other than some superfluous details the anime has completely explained the current situation. It's just a matter of whether or not you're good at paying attention to detail.

Yes, and in the process, it uses a lot of jargon that is hard to understand. From your perspective and prior knowledge of the series, it might seem complete and crafty. However, for someone new to the series, it can be a bit confusing.

What I do understand is that there are different factions and different worlds. People are trying to reproduce history in order to be able to go back into space with developing technology, while at the same time, try not to repeat history, which will lead to their downfall.

Now, the different factions are in conflict, which will eventually lead to one of the lands to be devastated. Cool fight scene ensues.

That is the basis of what can be understood. The motivations and reasons are very incoherent right now. The story unique jargon does not help. There are too many factions with too many different agendas. And character designs are very similar for a lot of characters, which make it confusing to tell who is who.

Again, these are just the flaws of the current episodes. I do feel after this episode, that they might start making the story more coherent, and I, if not many other people, will look forward to that.

You cannot publish that many novels if the story is bad, so I do expect this series to end up great. If this series fails, it will solely be on the shoulders of the anime production team.

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

it uses a lot of jargon that is hard to understand.

I explained the reasoning and solution Sunrise came up with for this in the previous post, you might've missed this while typing up that response. Keep in mind the anime's made for Japanese audiences primarily, they don't really find it troublesome reading a few words online before the story.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

What I do understand is that there are different factions and different worlds. People are trying to reproduce history in order to be able to go back into space with developing technology, while at the same time, try not to repeat history, which will lead to their downfall.

This part is correct.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Now, the different factions are in conflict, which will eventually lead to one of the lands to be devastated. Cool fight scene ensues.

The only "conflict" is the Far East being subjugated because the destruction of the Harmonic Divine State. This is explained pretty clearly in Episode 2. There are no current conflicts.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

The motivations and reasons are very incoherent right now. The story unique jargon does not help. There are too many factions with too many different agendas.

It's very simple.

K.P.A. Italia goes to Mikawa to talk about Deadly Sin Armament (episode 2)
Tres Espania is just escorting K.P.A. Italia (episode 3)
Mikawa is preparing firework is connected to the Genesis Plan; we have no idea what this is (episode 2). The firework is the explosion of the nuclear reactor (episode 4)
Musashi, the chancellor is preparing to confess to someone, and they're having a party (episode 2-4)

So to simplify this even more.

K.P.A Italia and Tres Espania visits Mikawa to talk about weapons the same time Musashi docks there.

Is there anything else that confuse you?

[Marcus H.]

@thundrakkon

Well, they're trying their best to settle with a delicate balance.

Any more explanations will make this even more painful to watch for inexperienced viewers.
Taking out anything else from the novels that contributes to the plot will cause negative reactions from the novel readers.

This series is probably as challenging to inexperienced viewers of sci-fi/fantasy series as Game of Thrones. But at least you get a glossary in the website.

[Chaos2Frozen]

There seem to be three plotlines running at the same time, one is Toori's confession, the other is the political situation with the four factions (Musashi, Mikawa, Espana and Italia), and the last is the Nobles that have been spirited away, aka kidnapped.

What significances does the last one have?

[Marcus H.]

^
> What are the connections between the victims of the Lost Nobles Incident?
> Why are they kidnapped?
> What are the intentions of the culprit in kidnapping them?