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Itatchi is the best genious to date, there are no comparisons. | 37 | 56.92% | |
Neji can compare to Itatchi, both are more of a genious than Sasuke. | 21 | 32.31% | |
Sasuke can compare to Itatchi, both are more of a genious than Neji. | 7 | 10.77% | |
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2006-11-14, 10:41 | Link #22 | |||
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2006-11-14, 10:54 | Link #23 | |
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But, Practically all I have posted in this Thread is strongly my Opinions, which, Yah, You could say, its is very rare to see me Making Opinions that are no way tied to Factual information. And don’t worry, I did not research for the terminology, as I’m very well familiar with those type or terminologies as one of me degree works very closely to this types of terms.
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2006-11-14, 10:57 | Link #24 | |
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2006-11-14, 11:01 | Link #25 | |
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Well you are basing your argument on an assumption that Itachi has the MS before he was Anbu captain. I have to disagree b/c he got it after he killed Uchiha Shishui and shortly after he killed the clan. I don't think the was captain for 2 weeks... Also, how do you know that Tsukiyomi and Amateretsu are easy to discover, they may in fact be harder to figure out than kaiten and 128 divinity blah blah hands or whatever. There have been lots of ppl who have gotten to be jounin early on, however Itachi is the only one so far who has become ANBU captain, only thing more impressive is Sarutobi being officially recognized as going to be hokage so early on. Also, in terms of genius, Kakashi is "comparable," but its like if you take 2 ppl who got 100% on their SAT but one goes on to win the Nobel Prize and the other wins a local competition not much of comparison. Besides, if you look at young Kakashi at 13 he was NOWHERE NEAR ANBU captain level. |
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2006-11-14, 11:03 | Link #26 | |
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It is a fact that he gained the MS when he was 11 Years old, 2 years before the Massacre. We know that because it was the same day Sasuke received his first semester scorecard, And Sasuke joined the Academy when Itahci was 10 and something years old, So that makes Itachi around 11 When he gained the MS. And this is not about strength this is about Genius, Kakashi has done a couple of thing, which make me consider him better genius than Itachi. So taking the level of power Itachi had compared to Kakshi does not serve to determine a better genius.
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2006-11-14, 11:33 | Link #27 | |
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Now when comparing him to Neji we have to think, was Itatchi exceling faster than others like Sasuke/Neji because of the sharingan, or because he was naturally gifted as a fighter and Sharingan user. Sharingan certainly helps in learning hand seal jutsu, but it doesn't help in other important training like molding chakra (etc), speed, power, and cunning. Besides his jutsu, i believe his speed/overall ability was much higher than both Sasuke and Neji at any age. He would have to be, because when he defeated his entire village it certainly wasn't using MS, and he would have to be fast enough to actually hit other Sharingan users, and fight cunningly to defeat an entire clan. To sum up, i think Itatchi would still have been better than both Neji/Sasuke without his sharingan at all (at their age). |
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2006-11-14, 11:34 | Link #28 | |||
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2006-11-14, 11:40 | Link #30 | |
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Seriously though, i didn't think everyone disliked Sasuke this much. I always thought of him as rather gifted. Hell, he is Kishi's fav character, so i thought he was portrayed well as a gifted ninja... *shrug* |
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2006-11-14, 11:41 | Link #31 | |
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Hahhah, You have no Idea at how much Sasuke is hated
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2006-11-14, 11:52 | Link #32 | |
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yes its not about strength, but I'm was just questioning your assumptions that "just b/c he has the MS" its not impressive that he got so far... Sounds like also, that Kakashi is not on Sannin lvl b/c he lacks power according to what you're saying. Edit: From what we've seen minus the MS, there seems to be not too many reasons why Itachi is so far above power as compared to Kakashi than genius, that's why I'm figuring in the power factor. |
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2006-11-14, 11:53 | Link #33 |
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The only other person that should be compared to Itachi when it comes to the term "Genius" (with basis of how they use it in Naruto) is Orochimaru.
From my point of view and how I see it. They use the term "Genius" as in naturally talented. For people who astrive with minimal effort. |
2006-11-14, 12:09 | Link #34 |
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I love how Xrayz0rquoted part of my statement, and not where I go into why the variables can be misleading. Fact is, now I probly will skip any post he makes in the future, and state without concideration of what he says.
That being stated, I think that people are either over obsessed with Itachi, or overobsessed with Sasuke... or both. Seriously, the one thing that Kishimoto is making clear to us, is that while 1 may be very strong, everyone has a stylistic disadvantage, and everyone therefore has their foil. Someone that can beat them. He has an equal playing field open to all the nin available. That means that even if your the AL, theres someone out there that has the ability to go one on one with you. Same goes for Itachi, same with every Sannin, the rest of Akatsuki, and every jounin in every other village. If this weren't the case, there would be no reason for every level of nin to work in teams of at least 2 (save for Jiraiya when we first meet him, though that is more because of dissasociation with others, and striving away from anything that might get him into it with other nin). P.S. Xrayz0ryour retarded Jumping onto Itachi vs Kakashi again. Since it seems to be the main flavor of our argument. We learn that Kakashi served as ANBU before attaining a Jounin rank. This signifies that the person, even if in charge of an ANBU squad, are not technically Jounin level (but ostly likely fast approaching it, or just needing the formal designation). Then to jump on the Kakashi not being a Sannin/Kage level. It would seem that his limitations on his chakra really are the main stem of why he isnt able to be considered as highly as those who have those titles. We know from the fights of those at those levels already used so much Chakra in comparison to the regular Chakra use of the likes of Asuma, Kakashi, and Gai. From summoning things well beyond the size limits most are able to comprehend, to utilizing elemental techniques ranging out of their affilition, and using the top level ninjitsu to try and take an advantage in their fights. But talking about all that, and talking about it being about how much Chakra one has to use, one could nearly state that this makes Itachi no where truly near a Sannin/Kage level either. He even's up the odds by being able to use techniques that far exceed the strength of regular Jutsus, and has an aility to fully read and not only counter, but develoop a full fight for his opponent, that against most, his Chakra levels mean nothing. Again though, if he uses all his Chkra too fast, he wont be worthwhile in a fight. This also explains why he retreated from Jiraiya in their first meet up (yes I believe that he could take Jiraiya with Kisame's help at that point, had they been at full chakra, reasoning is stated at the start). Last edited by matsuno; 2006-11-14 at 12:25. Reason: adding |
2006-11-14, 12:22 | Link #35 | |
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2006-11-14, 12:24 | Link #36 | ||
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Yeah, the Manga is misleading in that aspect, The time Jumps are not indicated, so its really easy to get lost in when Itachi gained the MS, unless you read very well the subtleties in Information: The fact that Itachi was said to be Chunin at age 10, then Joining ANBU 6 month later and this same day, Sasuke begun the Academy And then we see that Sasuke is reading his report card saying First semester report and Sasuke father saying that same day to Itahci that there’s going to be a Uchiha Secret Meeting. And the next Day The Uchiha cops Saying that he did not went to the meeting last night and that Shisui was found death. And Also having in mind that Akatsuki stated that Oro left Akatsuki 7 Years Prior to time skip, making Itachi 11 when Oro left Akatsuki, because Oro saw that Itachi was stronger than Him. If you want me to use Manga Caps for everything I said, just ask, but I think this explanation should help your confusion. Quote:
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2006-11-14, 12:45 | Link #37 | |
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A lot of abilities/jutsu in naruto seems to be paper/rock/scissors anyways. |
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2006-11-14, 12:49 | Link #38 | |
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So if any age should be used as a measurement, looking at when one becomes a Jounin is about the only way, if we are to use someting as a moniquer of accomplishment. |
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2006-11-14, 14:03 | Link #40 | |
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If you start from when Itachi was ANBU captain (13 clearly stated by Kakashi) than you get this timeline (kudos to leafninja.com) 17 Yrs. BSS - Uchiha Itachi born. 10 Yrs. BSS - Graduates Academy, becomes Genin. 9 Yrs. BSS - Activates Sharingan for the first time. 7 Yrs. BSS - Passes Chuunin Exam. 5-4 Yrs. BSS - Becomes captain of ANBU. Begins to become disenfranchised with his clan. Accused of murdering Uchiha Shisui. Gains Mangekyou Sharingan. 4-3 Yrs. BSS - Wipes out clan, leaving only Uchiha Sasuke behind. Joins Akatsuki Organization. 0 - Series Start You could be right and I could also be too ie its Kishimoto's fault. I don't see how Itachi could leave Konoha at 11 and also be ANBU captain at 13. Again I don't think we misread anything, its just a plot hole. For the second point, I still think it is his genius that allows him to be so powerful. I guess we just see things differently. But I def. do think Kakashi is a dang genius, just that Itachi is more. |
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