2013-07-07, 09:55 | Link #41 | |
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But yes, the first part of what you said is very true. I think he does appear to be conflicted about what is happening here. I understand now what you meant by that. I thought you were saying he was just being mean, not trying to evoke an emotional response. I agree with what you say in that case. That made it much more clear |
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2013-09-08, 15:24 | Link #42 |
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This is moved from the railgun s episode 20 discussion thread. Let me clarify/expand on what Ilidsor/AdmirerofSatenRuiko are saying (even though I may be wrong).
The Sisters Arc was so popular that Mikoto became a well-liked character. So as a result they wanted to spin-off of Kuroko, but last minute changed it to one of Misaka. This became the railgun franchise. After some time, the show became very different from how it was originally envisioned as seen in the first season, but then it actually turned out that the author Kamachi considered the side-story to be of equal importance as the main story. At this point in time, the second season of Railgun talked about the sisters, the original reason "railgun" was conceived as a manga in the first place. I will argue however that since I'm not positive the sisters arc existed when Railgun was originally adapted for its first season, it might not be the reason the anime exists for railgun, just the manga. So it can be argued that it isn't absolutely essential to the anime, but that if the anime wants to be a consistent adaptation to the manga then it should also include the sisters arc. The problem arises from anime-only-viewers who want a continuation of themes from the first season and manga readers who want to have an anime of the series that they are reading. When creating the anime, J.C. staff has to cater to both of these groups because in the end, the anime is supposed to adapt the manga. However, all anime clearly have the interpretation of the directors inputted into them in at least some minor way so that the anime has its own original flavor. That's what is happening here. With season one of the anime, the anime attracted a lot of fans that enjoyed the Director's way of interpreting the material in order to make the series more popular. However, now the series has 2 completely different aspects and therefore relies on 2 different cours per season to compromise this problem. In this case, it becomes unclear which way the series should be adapted, if it should actually rather be adapted one way over the other. IMO, many will prefer one way over the other, but I think that this problem is clearly unresolveable so people are just going to keep on fighting about it which is why this argument isn't really productive at this point at all. If railgun changes, its popularity will drop. If railgun does not change, it does not adapt the original material like it was supposed to. This makes the entire scenario very confusing. And both groups in their opinions are technically in the right so this becomes a confusing problem. |
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Look, I'm not trying to have an argument about which part of the series is the best or whatever I'm just pointed out that the Sisters arc cannot be skipped no matter which side you prefer because the events of it are so integral to future events, and Misaka's character.
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2013-09-08, 22:02 | Link #44 | |
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As to the first thing you said, Kamachi never really said that (don't worry I'm not trying to argue with you ) however the fact that the accelerator manga, railgun manga, index-nichijou manga, and index manga all seem to be existent and kamachi is focusing on different things in each of these mangas, I just kind of assumed that Kamachi is using the normal index manga to adapt the LNs and everything else to add onto the story and to enhance the world. This is why I feel like he considers the other parts of the story just as important in terms of world-building, considering the magnitude of some of arcs we have seen in railgun already... like this silent party arc which seems to have some implications on later things in the franchise. (it doesn't have to bad though...) Anyway, it's an opinion, but I think Kamachi doesn't think railgun is that silly anymore considering that he is using it to introduce characters very early on like ITEM and Shokuhou Misaki. But I digress and might be totally wrong as to how he feels about it (just putting that out there). I'm not trying to argue, I was just trying to say what I had written above. |
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2013-09-08, 22:09 | Link #45 | |
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ITEM was introduced way earlier than Railgun. |
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2013-09-08, 22:10 | Link #46 | |
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Also as a side note ITEM was introduced in the Index LNs way before they appeared in the Railgun manga EDIT: Last part was ninja'd
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2013-09-08, 22:19 | Link #47 | |
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I meant that ITEM was introduced pretty early on in the railgun manga. ITEM will probably appear much later in the Index manga (does that make sense?) What I'm saying is that ITEM was drawn in a manga for the first time in Railgun rather than Index. ITEM was also first animated in Railgun before Index. I see it as a way to provide more development for the characters and to get them animated earlier for him/fanbase/ everyone involved. I meant Kamachi controls pretty well what goes in the manga, but as for the anime he can only provide a general outline of what to cover and then the interpretation of the people directing/producing it also goes into developing the work. It's annoying to me and you because Kamachi's representation of the world is being changed to match the interpretation of the animation staff, but Kamachi's interpretation is annoying to fans of railgun who watched it just because of the different interpretation of J.C. staff. That's kind of what I mean. So I was agreeing with fallenhero, both of you have reasons to be right, but since I'm an LN reader I was leaning more strongly to how you feel about what you would hope/expect from an adaptation of railgun into anime. *sigh* I suck at explanations I originally thought that Railgun was founded as a way to give good backstory to other less-well developed Index characters. But have since changed my mind slightly. |
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It's confirmed in later volumes that the Sisters plan was just a ruse but that wasn't intended to explain anything. It was just a twist added in. We were still meant to believe that stopping the experiment relied on an ambiguous plot device for two whole volumes. Besides, there's nothing to suggest Crowley actually stopped the experiments then. He planned to make it fail all along but he only actually terminated it after the Three Stories arc, not in the Sisters arc. Touma was still the one who stopped it then (thanks to an ambiguous plot device). And in any case it still doesn't matter. If you can wait two volumes for an answer then people have no right to bitch about plot holes they think have occurred before the story even ends. Quote:
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2013-09-28, 18:16 | Link #51 | |
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Notice that is two sentences, not one sentence. I felt like the Sisters arc was well-done but it had no extra scenes apart from the manga or LNs... I mean it literally had no longer battle scenes because the arc had to be condensed sadly. This made me at least somewhat disappointed. Though since I didn't consider STUDY as part of AC's darkness it wasn't actually a problem. STUDY-> AC Darkness as Amai-> Battle Royale (if you don't know what this is, ignore the comparison). Anyway, this arc didn't ruin my impression of AC's darkness because there was only one actual character from the darkness other than Accelerator in this entire arc: Gensei |
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