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Since nobody is able to repay the debt now, banking institutions become suddenly ruined (since not only will there be no payback of debt, but the securities largly are a speculative value/asset that is not going to repay nearly as much as the debt in midterm future). This however - since totally out of proportion, threatens the banking system of whole nations - which in turn makes nation leaders to go on public funding/spending sprees to rescue the idiots that were systemicly stupid enough to dig their own graves (monetarily). Thats the same assholes that use public money (as in the money of the tax payers of years to come) to not only bail out the stupid system they are so used to... but also give themselves high settlements/premiums and bonus payments for whatever they deem their idiocy to be worth (they are the one's who dictate who and what is worth money - the job market in the banking sector is as speculative as the whole banking business - its basically about how important these idiots deem each other - that much tax payer money they will throw out of the window to pay for each others bonus/income checks). So, in reality many of the most greedy bankers come off very well... because it is the nation's tax payers who lost money in the years to come not the big banker (since the money will devaluate in such an incident the bankers will be indirectly hit by this, but with their income they are still much better off then the average tax payer who is not likely to ask his/her boss for a pay rise in an economic downturn - and thereby pays the bill by getting less for the same work - even if it is the same money - Others are not so lucky and loose their jobs... ).
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2010-06-03, 03:31 | Link #7642 | |
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So, to normalize to the WHO statistics, we divide by 4 and multiply by 2 (that is we assume that suicides continue at this rate all year long) = 6.5 We can then compare it to China's national rate = 13 for males. and to the USA = 17.6 for males. and to Japan = 36.5 for males. So the suicide rate actually looks quite low, when you consider the number of people living at the factory. In fact the suicide rate is less than half (almost a third) of the suicide rate in the USA. |
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2010-06-03, 04:09 | Link #7643 | |
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Gunman Derrick Bird found dead after shooting spree in northern England
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2010-06-03, 04:23 | Link #7644 | |
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More malice. Disgusting. What could cause someone to do this? Are they really that incompetent of measuring an individual's life? And their life? That they'd do this sort of thing?
Kudos, another on the long list of failed people whom I have no sympathy for. Whatever broke him certainly did as implied. Mental condition may have been frail and susceptible to dementia from the start; it's entirely possible that he was never diagnosed. Oh well. Least he had the common sense left of knowing what kind of gun to use. Though that is hardly desirable in this sort of situation. Quote:
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2010-06-03, 06:35 | Link #7646 |
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The question is though who should have known better? An alcoholic or someone with a high level buisness degree? We generally don't expect homeless alcoholics to make the most prudent choices. He's a homeless alcoholic with lots of serious personal issues. What's the bankers excuse?
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2010-06-03, 07:22 | Link #7647 | |
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2010-06-03, 07:31 | Link #7648 |
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Nuclear Option on Gulf Oil Spill? No Way, U.S. Says And back to the Burka & co issue in European countries: Spanish town of Lerida bans Burka in public buildings.
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Of course that is my mum for you. Rather than promoting about how her son can read an entire newspaper in 15 minutes, play multiple musical instruments, read stock market charts and troubleshoot his own PC, she complains about how I keep my room and hair in a mess, puts up girly and cute stuff as desktop wallpapers, talks to himself, sticks himself in front of the computer 24/7 and don't eat meals regularly. Quote:
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Honestly speaking, I do feel like blaming the lower bunch who have been complaining about these greedy bankers...they are the ones who refuse to spend within their limits and made use of the lending system to create the mess, not the bankers who OFFERED the money in the first place. EDIT : And I now bring you an article written by a journalist who have no idea how a stock market runs, or how professional investors make their money from it : Buffett’s PR disaster Quote:
You don't demonise the professional investor as "irresponsible to the market". When you suck, it is obvious that you are not paying attention to your financial management.
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2010-06-03, 13:01 | Link #7651 | ||
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Still even we discount their mistakes on that part, financial institutions are very much to blame for the current mess. Not assessing risks correctly, hiding risky positions with complex instruments or on off-balance sheet activities and blatantly misinforming investors about the health of their organizations have put the whole financial system at risk. The interbank lending market is not functioning at the moment, as banks don't trust each others financial reporting, is a cynical representation of the trust bankers have in their colleagues. As for their education, I'd wish management and boards of these institutions had a better background in finance or economics. They are trained to run organizations, knowledge of the field those organizations operate in could prevent them from falling prey to the emotional exuberance which so often fuels boom-bust cycles. Quote:
Afaik Buffet is being grilled to see if he had any knowledge of Moody's manipulating of ratings for financial gain. If so then fraud is the issue, not professional investment choices. Also investors are not forced to believe these agencies, but they can have a large effect on market psychology. Even if no one were to believe their ratings, as long as investors think that other people will believe them, those ratings can still send the market spiraling out of control. |
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2010-06-03, 13:46 | Link #7652 | |
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However, his lines have really been true..... “I think they made the same mistake that virtually everybody else made,” Yes, the mistake of greed. And the journalist is a total idiot expecting him to prop up a lousy business plan with his billions? He isn't even obliged to help a bunch of spendthrift bankrupts, and he shouldn't even help them because it helps develop the grudge mentality!
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2010-06-03, 13:49 | Link #7653 |
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Aye... the journalist is an idiot ... all future articles penned by him/her should be assumed worthless. Buffett was someone who saw that the derivatives market was a fraud and disaster in the making. He's quite progressive in many of his ideas about financial markets. Yes, he's filthy rich but he got most of it by playing smart and optimizing opportunities to be in place when luck struck.
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2010-06-03, 14:02 | Link #7654 | |
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2010-06-03, 19:23 | Link #7655 | |
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2010-06-03, 19:42 | Link #7656 |
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People still had to apply for loans, and accept those loans. No one had a gun put to their head and made them take loans that they could not afford. I am unwilling to take a good portion of the blame from the home-buyers. I've seen far too many in person who took whatever they could get and used it as free money thinking housing prices would forever continue to rise. Rapidly. Meanwhile they were taking home equity loans out and buying brand new trucks, travel trailers, boats, desert toys, big screen tvs with surround sound entertainment centers, etc, etc.
I watched my cousin and her husband buy a house near the beach for 450k in 2001, then turn around and sell it in 2005 for 1.4 million dollars. It was a tiny 2 bedroom 1.5bath house with a 1 car garage that was turned into a sort of mini-rental. 1.4 million dollars for a home that's as small as most apartments. The writing was on the wall for anybody with half a brain. So I have zero sympathy for the banks that offered the loans, and the individuals who accepted them. Meanwhile, because I decided to wait until the market corrected itself and reality came home to roost, I am in a position to buy my first house in San Diego of all places on a single person's income. |
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2010-06-03, 23:11 | Link #7659 | |
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The majority of Americans are not the sharpest tools in the shed, and are not exactly known for being responsible either. Near half don't even pay Federal Income Tax. A very high percentage get some kind of Governmental assistance. Many have walked away from their homes strictly because the home is now not worth what it was when they purchased it. Rather than sticking it out and paying the loan off, and waiting for housing to gradually go up in time, they would rather walk away from it. Friend of mine from HS had debated that after buying a bloody condo for 320k and now it's worth half. I haven't talked to him since he told me his plans as I had lost all respect for him. Since when were homes suppose to be a short term investment? The fact is, you don't lose money on your house until you try and sell it. Once upon a time, people stayed in the same home for 20-40+ years. They weren't changing homes every 5-10 years like what is so often nowadays. |
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2010-06-03, 23:22 | Link #7660 |
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You're forgetting that once a loan is "upside down" (house worth less on the market than the loan value), the banks did not wait for the owner to "walk away" - they foreclosed automatically and evicted the owners even if they wanted to stay. Many owners were desperately working out arrangements only to have one arm of the bank ignore what the other was doing and resell the house anyway. Many banks were only stalled when owners starting figuring out that the banks COULD NOT figure out who "had possession of the title" because it had been bundled with thousands of other loans and sold as buckets of shares throughout the world. At this point, the judges started getting cranky at the banks... still not happening enough though.
The robber barons keep looting away at the top-end while everyone "not in the club" is going to be left to live with and clean up the mess. Assuming we aren't headed for a permanent vaporization of the middle class by their shenanigans and the US collapses into a modern form of feudalism.
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