Shakugan no SHANA Novels

[DeotoxSlayer]

Originally Posted by edgewalker00

it seems that with this turn of events, the novel might take a long run

i mean

Spoiler:

1. margery is dead T_T
2. what happenend to wilhelmina?
3. shana is abducted

from the spoilers contributed by cnnydz (thanks so much! XD ) im thinking that the sairei no hebi isn't really a bad guy and so are the rest of the bal masque. i mean, he just wanted to let his people live peacefully right?

also, i heard that pheles left in the earlier chapters... im wondering if she would, upon her return, side with yuji or against him.

there are still some more questions that i would like to ask such as

Spoiler:

1. where is sydonay, hecate, and bel peol at that time?
2. silver was sealed inside the reiji maigo and the one that sealed it was an assassin hired to kill pheles(?). so how come that the assassin was in possession of silver and how was sairei no hebi sealed too considering that he was bal masque's leader
3. it is said that yuji was forgotten like a torch, does that include his parents?
4. it is said that silver comes to those with great emotions and executes their desires for them. im guessing that, on margery's case back then, since she was the 'host' of 'silver's emotions' silver spared her life. is it safe to assume that silver spares the lives of the host of his emotions?

Sry for double posting.

Spoiler:

1. Sairei No Hebi sent them to Shanghai to kill a bunch of Flame Haze
2. I don't know, i'm quite confused about this topic too...
3. If he was forgotten "like a torch" doesn't that mean his parents would have had to forget him.
4. Well Silver only acts on the desire that he "eats" so unless the host's desire is to die than he has no reason to kill the host.

Also what happened to Wilhemina, and was one of those Flame Haze in Switzerland Khamshin, sry for pestering you so mush with questions i'm just desperate for spoilers sorry, o n since I double posted you might skip my last post in the last page, so plz answer those questions too, again i'm really really sorry, i'm just really desperate sorry.

[minhtam1638]

Wow, just read the spoilers, and at this rate, forget ending at 17. We could go on to 20. We may even see a Shana III in the anime.

[cnnydz]

to edgewalker00

Spoiler for s:

margery could be alive, she lost her conscious and stops moving after all her POE leaks out.
1.sydonay was in shanghai killing flame hazes with a spear, the other two are at the base.
2.the snake was a god just like alastor , he was the god of creation and the first to arrive the human world, well he tried to change the "truth of the world" before and was cast away to a unreachable dimension by alastor and the other kings. the assassination was a fake , the assassin is one of the snakes sub coordinates. the idea is to put the silver in the reiji maigo (it has the ability needed) so snake can get out. and yuji's parents did forget him (only those who know the truth of the world can remember a torch), also silver didn't kill the host since margery is still alive.

about snake being a good guy

Spoiler for snake:

snake's intention was not bad but he doesnt care if it fails since snake and the king are actually in another world (they are immune to things happening in the human world), if it fails the whole human world could go up in smoke.

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by cnnydz

er.. well

Spoiler for the truth of silver:

silver is like a vessel (like marco's book), which was intended to be used as a body for snake, but snake decided it lacked personality so he merged with yuji. silver is made by materializing the thoughts and emotions of humans, so it means that silver will come to a person with great emotions and absorb that emotion(desire) to strengthen itself. it will then act on that emotion. for example if the desire of the person was to cut down a tree then after absorbing that desire silver will cut down the tree for him. the thing silver did was that it destroyed the place where Margery worked and killed all the people in it, and guess whose thought did it absorb. it is none other than margery's and silver merely acted to her desires. btw that "place" was probably a brothel and she was forced into it, so she has good reasons for hating it.

figured as much.

well, thanks for coming here and feeding all us illiterates information on the new novel.

[cnnydz]

Originally Posted by DeotoxSlayer

Also what happened to Wilhelmina, and was one of those Flame Haze in Switzerland Khamshin , sry for pestering you so mush with questions i'm just desperate for spoilers sorry, o n since I double posted you might skip my last post in the last page, so plz answer those questions too, again i'm really really sorry, i'm just really desperate sorry.

Spoiler for w:

Wilhelmina was fighting silver at the time but seems to be doing ok so i guess she wasn't hurt, and yes one of the Flame Haze in Switzerland is Khamshin

[cnnydz]

Originally Posted by DeotoxSlayer

Thanks, I feel sorry for Yoshida, although I guess that spoiler about Yoshida giving up hope on being with Yuji in Volume 16, wasn't that fake after all, does Eita know that Margery's dead? I can't believe he just left Shana bleeding there...he basically says he loves her, and then beats her to death, and leaves her bleeding there even though she's unconcious, and it would be a good time to heal her...



Can you give me an estimate of how many new people are introduced, and are they all Flame Haze??? Also do you think that SnS could be ended in Volume 17?

Spoiler for 1:

eita was at the haridan so he knows all, in fact i think margery isn't dead because right before she lost her conscious she heard eita yelling at her. yuji knows that shana won't give in and he knows that she is a strong girl so he didn't hold back, he wanted to show her his power.

there are 4-5 new flames hazes i think, and no way it gonna end with 17.

[Malintex_Terek]

Originally Posted by cnnydz

just finished vol.16 here are some spoilers

Spoiler for vol16 spoilers:

-everyone seems to have forgotten yuji, just like when a torch disappears.
-shana feels very uncomfortable and misses yuji.
-yuji sent his henchmen to shanghai and killed a few flame hazes and some people.
-after spending some time with Hecate and Bel Peol (damn that lucky bastard), yuji came back and remembered all the good time he had with his family, friends and shana.
-he met shana (who followed his presence) on the bridge, shana noticed that his presence is now that of a tomogara's.
-margery and Wilhelmina arrives. yuji reveals that he is now the snake of festival sakai yuji and a fight broke out (they think yuji is being mind controlled)
-yuji sent silver to take care of margery and Wilhelmina while he fights shana
-yuji assures shana that he is not being controlled by anybody and that he is still sakai yuji.
-yuji reveals the truth behind "silver" which send Margery into a state of chaos.
-margery lost the will to live, then she lost the contract with marco and died.
-yuji told shana that he wanted to live with her forever.
-shana vowed to cut yuji down herself. and yuji told shana that he wanted to change the "truth of the world" for her, so she need not to fight anymore.
-yuji beats shana to near death and dragged her blood bathed body to the department store to retrieve the haridan where he finds Yoshida and Eita
-after telling Yoshida that he only wanted shana, yuji took the now unconscious shana back to his lair along with the haridan.

At first I was all, .

Then.



I screamed "epiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiic!"

...

A question or two for me, I guess.

Spoiler:

If Yuuji's signature is like a Tomogara, is he still a Torch/Mystes? Additionally, what are the Hougu he currently has in his possession as Sairei no Hebi?

[DX HBK]

Yuji has the anti-flame ring Azure (whatever the name is) , Blutsauger, and the Reiji Maigo at least. He might have some new additions.

[cnnydz]

Originally Posted by Malintex_Terek

A question or two for me, I guess.

Spoiler:

If Yuuji's signature is like a Tomogara, is he still a Torch/Mystes? Additionally, what are the Hougu he currently has in his possession as Sairei no Hebi?

Spoiler for d:

i don't what sof yuji is anymore he is a kind of fusion between human and god. the hougu he has now are

1.Azure Ring from hunter, it protect the user from flames - the main ranged attack of flame hazes
2.Blutsauger, wounds everyone that physically (direct or indirect) touches it when the user put POE in it.
3.reiji maigo

so u can only beat him by close combat and avoid contact of swords.

while not a hougo he also has silver (his amour) and dragon tail (his hair), both of them are incredibly useful.
oh and he can use flames like a flame haze. the flame he uses have a black colour, lol alastor nearly lost it when he saw the black flames,

[Sterling01]

I think SoF Yuji is acting kinda insane but that's just my opinion

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by Sterling01

I think SoF Yuji is acting kinda insane but that's just my opinion

they all act kind of insane.

SotF's plan is arguably one of the less selfish ones though.

[Sterling01]

I thought he was insane because...

Spoiler for 16:

He told Shana he wants to live with her forever, but then beat the crap out her and drags her near-death body to the haridan.

Someone has some f**ked up notions of love

[Aquifina]

First, thanks cnnydz! Really appreciate it.

Second of all, yikes!

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by Sterling01

I thought he was insane because...

Spoiler for 16:

He told Shana he wants to live with her forever, but then beat the crap out her and drags her near-death body to the haridan.

Someone has some f**ked up notions of love

she would have done the same. and taken no criticism for it. >_>

depending on what happens next time around I'm willing to call him insane, but nothing he's done so far strikes me as that out of the ordinary for the other side.

[Malintex_Terek]

Originally Posted by Sterling01

Someone has some f**ked up notions of love

You need to think of it from Shana's point of view.

She's a Flame Haze. Her purpose is to kill Tomogara and preserve the balance. Serei no Hebi Sakai Yuuji is effectively a Tomogara trying to do that, so despite her feelings for him she's got to fufill her responsibility.

I'm a bit surprised Sairei no Hebi doesn't have the same condescending view of Flame Haze that Annaberg did; looking at Margery and how flimsy her self-defined purpose was (revenge on the Knight of the Silver Flame) and how easily it was deflated, the Flame Haze are little more than a necessary evil. Even if Sairei no Hebi has nothing to lose from his fiddling with the mortal realm, he's still trying to modulate everything toward the positive.

This raises two effective issues, though:

1. Why did the Guze no Ou contain Sairei no Hebi, knowing his intent? The Flame Haze fighting him makes sense, but why did the Ou oppose him?
2. Sairei no Hebi's logic makes it sound like he's assuming Tomogara want to live in the human realm, but from all our observations of them they exploit humans (as a resource) to achieve an ends, id est Friagne trying to animate Marianne, the incest twins for their Hougu, and so on. Those Tomogara don't care for peace, they care for stuff; at best, Sairei no Hebi will just remove humans as the exploitable resource by the Tomogara.

Suffice to say, I still want to learn more about him. I figured he might be a 'benevolent' force in a way, and as a "creator" it sure sounds like he is concerned for the welfare of humanity at large.

[zerosN1s]

that's a lot of spoilers i just read. i caved on waiting for more english novels to come out before reading, but 6 months per release is too much. hence my hunt for novel spoilers.

also:

Originally Posted by Malintex_Terek

1. Why did the Guze no Ou contain Sairei no Hebi, knowing his intent? The Flame Haze fighting him makes sense, but why did the Ou oppose him?
2. Sairei no Hebi's logic makes it sound like he's assuming Tomogara want to live in the human realm, but from all our observations of them they exploit humans (as a resource) to achieve an ends, id est Friagne trying to animate Marianne, the incest twins for their Hougu, and so on. Those Tomogara don't care for peace, they care for stuff; at best, Sairei no Hebi will just remove humans as the exploitable resource by the Tomogara.

1. Guze no Ou contain Sairei no Hebi? Not quite sure I follow. Wondering if i missed something.
2. Not necessarily. There's ones like Lammies(sp?). Granted, I don't know what happened with him after the anime season 1 or his fate in the novels vol2 and on, but Tomogara aren't necessarily "evil". They just consume / collect PoE.

[Malintex_Terek]

Originally Posted by zerosN1s

1. Guze no Ou contain Sairei no Hebi? Not quite sure I follow. Wondering if i missed something.

The kings fought SnH during the Middle Ages and defeated him; they thought they killed him, but he apparently found himself in another dimension that's linked to the Reiji Maigo. Mathilde died around this time, so I'm guessing it was in the battle to stop SnH?

Originally Posted by zerosN1s

2. Not necessarily. There's ones like Lammies(sp?). Granted, I don't know what happened with him after the anime season 1 or his fate in the novels vol2 and on, but Tomogara aren't necessarily "evil". They just consume / collect PoE.

Rammie is a rare exception to the rule, but even then, he's still exploting resource, just corpses instead of living humans.

[cnnydz]

Originally Posted by Malintex_Terek

1. Why did the Guze no Ou contain Sairei no Hebi, knowing his intent? The Flame Haze fighting him makes sense, but why did the Ou oppose him?
2. Sairei no Hebi's logic makes it sound like he's assuming Tomogara want to live in the human realm, but from all our observations of them they exploit humans (as a resource) to achieve an ends, id est Friagne trying to animate Marianne, the incest twins for their Hougu, and so on. Those Tomogara don't care for peace, they care for stuff; at best, Sairei no Hebi will just remove humans as the exploitable resource by the Tomogara.

Spoiler for 1:

1.the kings of guze: wat r u doing snake?
snake:i am changing the world
the kings of guze:do u know wat it will do to the world
snake:we will find out
the kings of guze:wat if you failed
snake:i will just start over
the kings of guzek this guy is nuts, let's cast him away.

remember that if something BIG happens to the the human world , the imbalance caused could affect the world of the guze.

2. yes i think u r right snake probably just wanted to remove humans as the exploitable resource by the Tomogara.
during the fight with shana he talks about how he can't protect everyone because he can't sent a flame haze with every single person he cared. so to protect his family and friends he decided that the "truth of the world " need to be changed

[zerosN1s]

Originally Posted by Malintex_Terek

The kings fought SnH during the Middle Ages and defeated him; they thought they killed him, but he apparently found himself in another dimension that's linked to the Reiji Maigo. Mathilde died around this time, so I'm guessing it was in the battle to stop SnH?

ah okay. thanks for clearing that up. edit: wasn't SnH leader of the Bal Masque, and the Ou aligned with balance-preservation were against him in the first place? or did the Bal Masque not like him either? /confused again

about that, i wonder if alastor ever commented on it? though it seems out of character for him to do so, it might suggest tenpa jyousai was used to defeat SnH before? just expanding on that thought and possibility.

[cnnydz]

Originally Posted by zerosN1s

ah okay. thanks for clearing that up.

about that, i wonder if alastor ever commented on it? though it seems out of character for him to do so, it might suggest tenpa jyousai was used to defeat SnH before? just expanding on that thought and possibility.

Spoiler for 1:

alastor was like: omg who r u?.. no that is impossible...
so he kinda lost it when he saw the black flame of the god of creation.