Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (old)

[KrimzonStriker]

I didn't say that, I said that playing with Lelouch seems illogical to how much effort and how entangled everything with Geass is, and that therefore the Emperor is probably seeking after something much greater then just his next heir. Read all of my post next time while you're at it >_>

[Juvyniled]

He's not playing games with Lelouch. Remember, Geass allows an individual to read another individual's thoughts. In Lelouch's thoughts, the Emperor most likely saw C.C. and to get to C.C., the Emperor's best chances would be having his son deliver her to him unwittingly.

... and this is assuming that C.C. and the Emperor are not already cohorts.

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by Juvyniled

He's not playing games with Lelouch. Remember, Geass allows an individual to read another individual's thoughts. In Lelouch's thoughts, the Emperor most likely saw C.C. and to get to C.C., the Emperor's best chances would be having his son deliver her to him unwittingly.

... and this is assuming that C.C. and the Emperor are not already cohorts.

That was only Mao. Unless you mean the side effects of C.C.'s abilities, but in that case she said it herself in 11, she doesn't know what images she shows to others when she's using it on them.

in either case, we have no proof that the Emperor can read Lelouch's mind at all, nor any reason to even suspect that he can.

[Juvyniled]

Originally Posted by ashlay

That was only Mao. Unless you mean the side effects of C.C.'s abilities, but in that case she said it herself in 11, she doesn't know what images she shows to others when she's using it on them.

in either case, we have no proof that the Emperor can read Lelouch's mind at all, nor any reason to even suspect that he can.

Alright then. But even then, I'm sure we can suspect a connection between C.C. and the Emperor, and even if there is nothing fishy between them, I'm quite sure that the Emperor is aware of one or more of these things:

1) that his son is capable of using Geass
or
2) he is aware of C.C.'s presence and that Lelouch has connections to her.

For whatever reason (to some end), the Emperor most likely requires C.C. (either her knowledge, her power, or her being might serve some other purpose). And to get to C.C.....

[TurquoiseThyme]

Originally Posted by ashlay

in either case, we have no proof that the Emperor can read Lelouch's mind at all, nor any reason to even suspect that he can.

I think that logically the Emperor would need to read peoples minds in order to rewrite their memories. Of course, I have always been amazed at how people who are geassed by Lelouch know what he means by his instructions instead of following his orders exactly. Well, except for poor Ephie. So I suppose the Emperor's ability could successfully rewrite memories without him knowing those memories.

On another topic, didn't C.C. give Lelouch the "power of Kings". I was wondering if Rollo could have the "power of Knights".

[scifijimmy]

I personally think the Emperor wants to eliminate any possible Geass competition.

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by Juvyniled

Alright then. But even then, I'm sure we can suspect a connection between C.C. and the Emperor, and even if there is nothing fishy between them, I'm quite sure that the Emperor is aware of one or more of these things:

1) that his son is capable of using Geass
or
2) he is aware of C.C.'s presence and that Lelouch has connections to her.

For whatever reason (to some end), the Emperor most likely requires C.C. (either her knowledge, her power, or her being might serve some other purpose). And to get to C.C.....

maybe, maybe not. He didn't seem to care much about someone taking the bait in Area 11 in turn 2, nor did he want C.C. badly enough to tell the intelligence division to capture instead of kill her. >_>

This entire situation is very, very odd. too odd to be sure of much of anything at this point.

[TurquoiseThyme]

That seems very likely. Didn't the Emperor in episode 2 say something about using his children as bait for the gods?

Originally Posted by ashlay

maybe, maybe not. He didn't seem to care much about someone taking the bait in Area 11 in turn 2, nor did he want C.C. badly enough to tell the intelligence division to capture instead of kill her. >_>

This entire situation is very, very odd. too odd to be sure of much of anything at this point.

You are right. It is extremly odd that the intelligence division didn't have more background on their target. Especially if the Emperor was trully concerned about C.C. or those like her.

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by TurquoiseThyme

That seems very likely. Didn't the Emperor in episode 2 say something about using his children as bait for the gods?

no. he merely said he can still make use of Lelouch (and he didn't even say for what. >_>)

and use the edit button instead of double posting.

[scifijimmy]

The impression I've gotten so far concerning C.C.'s mortality is that this Weapon that The Emperor showed Suzaku is the only thing that could kill her.

[Juvyniled]

If I recall correctly, in the earliest of episodes, anyone that was suspected to have seen the contents of that secret package (or maybe even just the container itself) was ordered to be exterminated.

If we adopt the standpoint that dictates that C.C. serves no purpose to the emperor, than it could be that she poses a threat to him. If the Emperor axes Lelouch, C.C. will be free from her contract to transmit the power/curse to another potential threat. In either regard, C.C. is pivotal, whether she is in his grasp or not.

[scifijimmy]

Well, those that are charged with her extermination are poorly informed since the first thing they always try is putting a bullet in a critical area on her body.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by Juvyniled

If I recall correctly, in the earliest of episodes, anyone that was suspected to have seen the contents of that secret package (or maybe even just the container itself) was ordered to be exterminated.

If we adopt the standpoint that dictates that C.C. serves no purpose to the emperor, than it could be that she poses a threat to him. If the Emperor axes Lelouch, C.C. will be free from her contract to transmit the power/curse to another potential threat. In either regard, C.C. is pivotal, whether she is in his grasp or not.

you forget, the Emperor did not know about C.C. in those containers.

remember, the scientist was hysterical about it being discovered by their own forces

Which how she was able to survive in Japan for so long.

it's only now that the Emperor is aware of her and is actively on the hunt.

[fruitcage]

Originally Posted by Koshimizu

You forgot Rivalz! He's newly added too. ;_;

AH!!! Gomen! lol I completely forgot about him......

[Narona]

Originally Posted by scifijimmy

I personally think the Emperor wants to eliminate any possible Geass competition.

I think he needs C.C. (and other geass beings) to achieve his Evil Project .

[Juvyniled]

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

you forget, the Emperor did not know about C.C. in those containers.

remember, the scientist was hysterical about it being discovered by their own forces

it's only now that the Emperor is aware of her and is actively on the hunt.

Could you remind me where or when exactly in the series that it specificly said the Emperor had not known about C.C. (I'm not being entirely critical or skeptical, but a reference would be nice)?

The scientist not knowing about it is probably for good measure. I would imagine that anyone seeing a being (human is debateable) sealed inside a capsule would be quite surprised/curious if they had not known about it before.

And I certainly do not deny that the Emperor would be on the hunt for her. Or if he is unaware of C.C.'s existence, then someone who is connected to Lelouch.

And if he knows of Lelouch's Geass capacity... then I'm sure he is fully aware of some other things.... by then, it is all a matter of when he determined all of this.

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by Narona

I think he needs C.C. (and other geass beings) to achieve his Evil Project .

no, that was Nunnally. Which is why V.V. kidnapped her in the first place.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

you forget, the Emperor did not know about C.C. in those containers.

remember, the scientist was hysterical about it being discovered by their own forces

Which how she was able to survive in Japan for so long.

it's only now that the Emperor is aware of her and is actively on the hunt.

He was talking to Clovis way back when, and honestly C.C's existence isn't something I'd put past him being well aware of long before hand given how omniscient he seems of everything >_>

[bill200]

The only thing I see is that the Emperor does not know that CC can't be killed. He sent a strike force to kill her, but we know that she is immortal, so the Emperor does not know as much as people let on. He may not even know that CC is the one that gave Lelouch his power. He does know that CC is second in command of the black knights, and calls her CC himself, so he used Lelouch to draw her out. My guess is that we won't find everything out for another 5 or 6 episodes.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by ashlay

no, that was Nunnally. Which is why V.V. kidnapped her in the first place.

But why Nunnaly?

What kind of evil plan needs an handicapped loli