[Manga] Chapter 406 Discussion

[ChojinLocke]

Whatever dude. Just dont bet your life on it will ya? It looks more like a 9 than this weird symbol you typed.

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by The Small One

When will people understand? The first character isn't a 9, it's a タ. It looks totally different, how can you even mix them up?

It's not タ "ta". And you can see a distinct difference. Even if they do look similar, that's like looking at the number 0 (zero) in a series of numbers and saying it must be the letter "O" because they resemble each other.

The code is a series of numbers, the code expert confirmed that last chapter. Besides if a katakana character was used, the translators/scanslators would've made a note of that I'm sure.

Originally Posted by Fipskuul

Didn't Jiraiya mention that the book, for which the main character was Naruto, didn't sell well (or didn't sell at all, not sure which one is correct) that is why he said it would be a better idea to add ecchi stuff on the future editions(?)? If that is the case, then either the books in the icha icha series are also a part of his adventures or there are different versions of the first book (more like the progressive version) which haven't been released.

Yep. You're right about this.

[tatami]

dont jump to direct solutions like = 9 is nine tails and stuff...its just stupid...

[Mr. Johnny 5]

LoL so whenever people make attempts to even figure things out...some other people toss fruits and all kinds of stuff at ya...

anyway...to respond on your post tatami, i just cant remember i did...all i did was mentioned some possibility's.. but let's just wait. Just a mere question so dont throw stuff at me...
They said this corpse was one of the three things Jiraiya left.
[Corpse and the Code] What's the third? The other shinobi that Ibiki is to interrogate right?

[tatami]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

LoL so whenever people make attempts to even figure things out...some other people toss fruits and all kinds of stuff at ya...

anyway...to respond on your post tatami, i just cant remember i did...all i did was mentioned some possibility's.. but let's just wait. Just a mere question so dont throw stuff at me...
They said this corpse was one of the three things Jiraiya left.
[Corpse and the Code] What's the third? The other shinobi that Ibiki is to interrogate right?

i am not , its just a little direct solution and to think that its about peins identity...kyubi is a bit anothoer story. its not ment to be solved by us so its kinda hard to solve it by ourselves and most probably we are not given enough pieces to solve the puzzle which directs us wrong directions as 9 : kyuubi cuz the only thing we know related to 9 is kyuubis tail number...

[ChojinLocke]

That's why its called a theory. I think he made a decent effort. As for the number 9 it could refer to the number of closed fingers when pointing at someone with the one remaining. Could mean anything right?

[tatami]

Originally Posted by ChojinLocke

That's why its called a theory. I think he made a decent effort. As for the number 9 it could refer to the number of closed fingers when pointing at someone with the one remaining. Could mean anything right?

yeah i am not against theories on the conterary i like em too much , different point of angles are always good but its just me not liking direct solutions to matters yet its the way of the world i couldnt do anything about it so i cry

[rpgkiller999]

Originally Posted by The Small One
When will people understand? The first character isn't a 9, it's a タ. It looks totally different, how can you even mix them up?

Indeed it looks like タ more than 9, anyone who can write hiragana will know the difference: the circle part of 9 is round like circle, but in タ it looks like square. Go read the chapter again and you will see the difference.

[Rahan]

Originally Posted by rpgkiller999

Indeed it looks like タ more than 9, anyone who can write hiragana will know the difference: the circle part of 9 is round like circle, but in タ it looks like square. Go read the chapter again and you will see the difference.

Except that タ isn't an hiragana, but a katakana.
The hiragana for ta is た

And from the way it is drawn on the frog's back, I can tell it has only 2 strokes while the katakana has 3 strokes. Number and order of strokes is important in japanese and I don't think Jiraiya would screw that up. (drawing improperly a kana that doesn't look like a number in a way that looks like a number just before a series of numbers)

[Juruzu]

http://naruto2talk.blogspot.com/2008...e-breaker.html
<-- ladee da di da

[Sazelyt]

(This must be one of the best weeks in terms of having the highest number of worst kind of, badly written, spoilers. Those crappy minds generating these crappy spoilers at the same time, how interesting! Or maybe there is only one crappy mastermind behind all these...)

Originally Posted by Rahan

Number and order of strokes is important in japanese and I don't think Jiraiya would screw that up.

Jiraiya could screw this up, in his condition, that wouldn't be surprising to any of us. It is important that Kishi wouldn't screw this up, and I don't think he would (I am assuming this because it may be too much for him to come up with a code like that, if it is even a bit difficult, so he might have asked that from another person with a non-screwer nature unlike Kishi).

[Hiking_Bear]

From what you guys said about the katakana ta, I would say that I agree. It looks a little odd to be the number 9. Maybe the first and second strokes blend in with each other so that it looks like it's only two strokes instead of three. If so, then I'd say it was purposeful because otherwise it would be too obvious that it isn't a 9. And it would make more sense that there would be 6 numbers (one for each body) and two numbers per line instead of 3 numbers in the first line. We'll see. But I like this theory.

[Blaine]

It is an entirely numeric code as said by the code breaker guy here.

[Keroko]

Or you are simply reading too much into it. It vaguely resembles a katakana, but far more accurately resembles a 9, then we have a an expert in decoding saying its a numeric code, Naruto is the one to decipher the code, he has a 9-tailed demon in his belly, and Jirayia stored the key to the seal of said 9-tailed demon in Naruto.

Hmm, nope, I don't think the code-guy is the one mistaken.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by The Small One

If you emphasise the stroke order, then you should also accept, that it can't be a 9, since a 9 has only one stroke.



And? He could have mistaken it the same way, the people in the forum mistook it.

I was definetly one of those that took the 9 for a タ the first time I saw it, but, realistically, it does make more sense if there are 3 groups of 3 numbers, rather than タ and then 8 numbers. It is strange, though, that the 9 looks so wierd, so it could turn out that the code-breakers are looking at the image wrong, and in the next chapter Naruto will look at it once and then mention that the 9 looks like タ.

Here is my theory, the first pictograph is both a 9 and a タ. Jiraiya used the similiar shape to oriented the code-breakers to the positioning of his shifted alphabet. Sadly enough, I am not certain how the Katakana table is set-up (do you learn サ,シ, ス, セ, ソ and then ザ, ジ, ズ, ゼ, ゾ or do you just learn the タ-set after the サ-set...I honestly do not remember), so I can not solve the riddle . Then again, I am probably completely wrong, and the answer is as simple as page numbers .

[Rahan]

Originally Posted by The Small One

If you emphasise the stroke order, then you should also accept, that it can't be a 9, since a 9 has only one stroke.

Stroke numbers of roman writing is completely irrelevant. The japaneses aren't taught how to write it properly nor that the order is extremely important. He even put 3 strokes to the 7 (who looks far more like a ku than this 9 looks like a ta by the way. Just look chapter 245 page 11 to see the ku of "tactics" on the cover to see how Kishi draws it)

And? He could have mistaken it the same way, the people in the forum mistook it.

I believe people of the Narutoverse are better at reading their own language than westerners who are totally clueless about japanese on the Naruto boards. Especially cryptographers who are supposed to be specialists at pattern recognition.
People assume it's a ta which would refer to Icha Icha Tactics. Yet, Tactics is Jiraiya's last book (we have no idea of Naruto's book title and the first book we saw Kakashi read was Icha Icha Paradise) and the least susceptible to have anything to do with Pein. (surely, the secret of Pein is not in the last sequel of a porn book series written when Jiraiya wasn't wandering around the world, but training Naruto)

[ZGoten]

One thing that bothers me about the 9 not being numeric is that Jiraiya used a "," to seperate all the numbers. If the 9 resembled a book and the other numbers the pages, it would be much easier to understand if he used a different sign after it like ";" or ":"

However I agree that it isn´t just a 9, there must be more to it considering the way it is written.

[Rahan]

Spoiler:

Well, from the spoilers, it was a ta.
Guess the cryptographers are completely incompetent

[NineTailNaruto]

when you think about it 106 or whatever could mean Tsunade