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z0rc · 2010-02-19, 14:00

VSFilter "YET ANOTHER fork" © jfs

https://code.google.com/p/vsfiltermod/

Continuation of VSFilter. New features, x64 builds and minor bugfixes. Detailed information on wiki.

If you have any bugreports, suggestions or feature requests, then fill a ticket on project's site.

jfs · 2010-02-19, 16:14

And then my recommendation:
Do not use any of the new features introduced in this version. It causes fragmentation in the little "standards" there are. Aegisub will never support any of those extensions.

I personally regret making feature additions to VSFilter myself in 2008, and in fact did it soon after releasing them. They were never meant to be used in subtitles distributed, though I should have seen that happening. The ASS format reached its essentially final form in 2004, and should ideally not have changed since then.

So I beg: Please do not use the extensions.

The ASS format is bad in many ways, and the way to make it better is not to smack more mud on the already huge ball it is. The only solution is to create a new format from scratch, with proper specifications and have the community involved in the development, of course.

greg- · 2010-02-19, 18:00

I second that, please don't use the newly introduced features. ASS is messy enough already. Also, don't expect support for these additions in libass.

jfs · 2010-02-19, 18:47

I have written a more detailed post on this over at the Aegisub blog:
http://blog.aegisub.org/2010/02/old-...-vsfilter.html

Also, z0rc used a very bad wording in his original post in this thread: This fork is not mine, and I'm not involved in it. (That should be clear from my opposition to it.) The only reason my nick is in that post is because z0rc made it just after I had commented "why make yet another fork?" when told about it on the Aegisub IRC channel.

cyth · 2010-02-19, 18:51

The new features look cool and I can see myself using them for hardsub projects.

Standards, lol...

teplofizik · 2010-02-19, 19:04

jfs
greg-
This version ONLY for hardsub and some advanced karaoke effects.

I agree, ASS format is not good.

jfs · 2010-02-19, 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by teplofizik

jfs
greg-
This version ONLY for hardsub and some advanced karaoke effects.

I agree, ASS format is not good.

The lessons I learned in 2008 is that people don't care.
I wrote everywhere that the new tags like \blur should only be used for hardsubs, because you can't be guaranteed that softsub renderers have support for them.
And everyone went and used the new tags in softsubs.

Zergrinch · 2010-02-21, 11:01

Some of the new tags there look like they can really make really ugly karaoke effects, what with the boundary deform and gradient tags...

Still, the distortion feature and the spline move function look like something that could come in handy in hardsubbing. Though, I'm will waiting for an extension of \move to have accelerating/decelerating speed, as well as multiple instances in a single line, similar to the transform tag. Here's hoping these will be incorporated into jfs's Kumaji format.

Since my favorite subtitling program won't be supporting them, are there any (existing or planned) visual subtitle-specific applications that do?

Starks · 2010-02-21, 23:38

jfs, I see that nielsm has been giving Kumaji some love lately. It's still an active project?
http://kumaji.svn.sourceforge.net/vi...ev&revision=70

Desbreko · 2010-02-21, 23:56

I think the reason \blur gets used so much in soft-subs is that there's no other good way to create that effect. I'd rather let people just see \be1 if they don't have a new version of vsfilter than muck around with layered borders of varying transparency.

The other extensions, though, I've never found a need for except \iclip a few times.

sneaker · 2010-02-22, 04:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starks

jfs, I see that nielsm has been giving Kumaji some love lately. It's still an active project?
http://kumaji.svn.sourceforge.net/vi...ev&revision=70

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiifurusu

As for Kumaji... well I did make a commit a short time ago, but it was really just things I had had sitting for a long time

Aegisub takes up too much of my time.

Seems as you shouldn't get your hopes up.

2010-02-19, 14:00	Link #1
z0rc Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010	VSFilterMod VSFilter "YET ANOTHER fork" © jfs https://code.google.com/p/vsfiltermod/ Continuation of VSFilter. New features, x64 builds and minor bugfixes. Detailed information on wiki. If you have any bugreports, suggestions or feature requests, then fill a ticket on project's site.

2010-02-19, 16:14	Link #2
jfs Aegisub dev Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Age: 39	And then my recommendation: Do not use any of the new features introduced in this version. It causes fragmentation in the little "standards" there are. Aegisub will never support any of those extensions. I personally regret making feature additions to VSFilter myself in 2008, and in fact did it soon after releasing them. They were never meant to be used in subtitles distributed, though I should have seen that happening. The ASS format reached its essentially final form in 2004, and should ideally not have changed since then. So I beg: Please do not use the extensions. The ASS format is bad in many ways, and the way to make it better is not to smack more mud on the already huge ball it is. The only solution is to create a new format from scratch, with proper specifications and have the community involved in the development, of course. __________________ Aegisub developer [ Forum \| Manual \| Feature requests \| Bug reports \| IRC ] Don't ask for: More VSFilter changes (I won't), karaoke effects, help in PM's

2010-02-19, 18:47	Link #4
jfs Aegisub dev Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Age: 39	I have written a more detailed post on this over at the Aegisub blog: http://blog.aegisub.org/2010/02/old-...-vsfilter.html Also, z0rc used a very bad wording in his original post in this thread: This fork is not mine, and I'm not involved in it. (That should be clear from my opposition to it.) The only reason my nick is in that post is because z0rc made it just after I had commented "why make yet another fork?" when told about it on the Aegisub IRC channel. __________________ Aegisub developer [ Forum \| Manual \| Feature requests \| Bug reports \| IRC ] Don't ask for: More VSFilter changes (I won't), karaoke effects, help in PM's

2010-02-21, 23:38	Link #9
Starks I see what you did there! Scanlator Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 36	jfs, I see that nielsm has been giving Kumaji some love lately. It's still an active project? http://kumaji.svn.sourceforge.net/vi...ev&revision=70 __________________ My list of garbage anime

2010-02-19, 18:00	Link #3
greg- libass developer Join Date: Feb 2009	I second that, please don't use the newly introduced features. ASS is messy enough already. Also, don't expect support for these additions in libass.

2010-02-19, 18:51	Link #5
cyth Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Age: 38	The new features look cool and I can see myself using them for hardsub projects. Standards, lol...

2010-02-19, 19:04	Link #6
teplofizik Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010	jfs greg- This version ONLY for hardsub and some advanced karaoke effects. I agree, ASS format is not good.

2010-02-21, 11:01	Link #8
Zergrinch Fansubber Join Date: Oct 2008	Some of the new tags there look like they can really make really ugly karaoke effects, what with the boundary deform and gradient tags... Still, the distortion feature and the spline move function look like something that could come in handy in hardsubbing. Though, I'm will waiting for an extension of \move to have accelerating/decelerating speed, as well as multiple instances in a single line, similar to the transform tag. Here's hoping these will be incorporated into jfs's Kumaji format. Since my favorite subtitling program won't be supporting them, are there any (existing or planned) visual subtitle-specific applications that do?

2010-02-21, 23:56	Link #10
Desbreko Senior Member Fansubber Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 36	I think the reason \blur gets used so much in soft-subs is that there's no other good way to create that effect. I'd rather let people just see \be1 if they don't have a new version of vsfilter than muck around with layered borders of varying transparency. The other extensions, though, I've never found a need for except \iclip a few times.