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If that's the case, then chances are this isn't exactly canon, since the Kazumi manga is just a spin-off.
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2011-02-23, 18:39 | Link #462 |
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Wait something i just noticed...妖精 can also be translated as sprite as well so this means Kyuube could be any form of supernatural creature not just a fairy but a Elf, Pixie, or even a Gnome. This also means that the possibilities that he is under the orders of someone else can vary.
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2011-02-23, 20:09 | Link #464 |
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Then again, this series is so full of reference to western concepts and literature (christianity, Faust, etc) that I seriously doubt the word "yousei" is meant to be taken solely on the context of its Japanese meaning. Just my two cents, but I think it keeps QB as a pretty ambiguous creature, and him being a demon is still a possibility.
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Kyuubei Takes Akihabara
Check out the piece in Sankaku Complex (other articles NSFW). It shows how common images of Kyuubei have become in Akiba:
"So, how about making a contract with me."
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2011-02-23, 22:46 | Link #466 | ||
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OKay, since we both have acknowledge the possibility of each other's scenario, I'll make an observation about where exactly our point of views clash (which may be obvious but, well, humor me please) My scenario comes from the assumption that Kyubey is neutral. Therefore I take information as is with a need to provide the simplest rationale. Your scenario comes from the assumption the Kyubey is evil. Therefore there is a need to add cruel intentions to all his actions. Both are equally valid as of now (an there is even the possibility that both would be rendered dead wrong 13 hours from now, heh). Nevertheless, I hesistate to add even more interpretations when the bare bones already suffice to make the logic works. Quote:
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My view of Kyubey has changed from episode to episode. At the beginning, I thought he was your typical helpless and innocent mascot. At the middle (episode 3-4), I thought there was something sneaky about him. Now, I think he is evil.
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It is far more difficult to prove that everyone in the show is miserable because of Kyubey. I have to account for every single person Kyubey has met; if only one of those people are happy, then I lose. Then, I have to show that Kyubey's actions correlate with everyone's sadness. If my logic sucks, the argument gets less convincing. Finally, I have to prove that Kyubey had the intention to do those things, which by my definition would make Kyubey evil. If I cannot establish that link, then my position weakens greatly. The majority of viewers label Kyubey as evil. They may not have any logical rationale in doing so, but I will struggle through pages of reasoning to create my own. Of course, the most difficult position to argue is that Kyubey is good - that would be opposite of both my emotion and my reason. And that is why Urobuchi may choose to go down that path, to shock (troll) viewers in both categories. |
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2011-02-23, 23:43 | Link #468 | |
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Urobuchi wouldn't make Kyubey neutral just to shock the audience. If he goes this path, which I seriously doubt, he'll do it because it's the best way to propel the story forward to its climax with the highest possible dramatic impact... But I do believe he's the true antagonist, because the ominous feeling around him has increased so much that it would be a totally orgasmic climax having him as the "bad guy". I just can't believe Urobuchi would create this feeling just for it to be wasted.
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I believe some of those ominous atmosphere could be attributed to Shinbou, also
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It would also completely dash any and all sense of moral ambiguity in this anime, and threaten to negate much of its charcter depth and complexity. Quote:
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2011-02-24, 00:47 | Link #473 | |
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Anyway, let's just agree to disagree if you will. This is my opinion and isn't going to change unless the series disproves me.
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2011-02-24, 00:53 | Link #474 |
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I do not think Urobuchi can lose in this situation...
The story so far has caused an overwhelming number of fans to portray Kyubey as evil. Is he a devil, an angel, or both? As long as Urobuchi reveals the truth with large, dramatic, and expressive plot, everyone will be pleased. |
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Also, Kazu-kun, if you're right, doesn't this make Shinbo's comment here nonsencial?: Once it ends, I want [the viewers] to watch again one more time. I want to make it a show that you can enjoy watching 12 episodes straight. There might even be some parts that is not understandable without watching it that way. I think it is fun if you watch it once you know how it ends. You can empathize the characters that way, and you can discover something new by watching it from different viewpoint. - Akiyuki Shinbo If we get an extremely predictable ending (one that a lot of people perceived from miles away) then why would people need to re-watch the anime again in order to truly understand it? Don't you think Shinbo's statement here strongly suggests that we're not going to get a predictable ending? Quote:
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You can't speak for everyone. I, for one, will not be pleased if this anime goes the way Kazu-kun thinks it will.
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Well, you can never please everyone.
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And things were starting to get boring...
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I pose this logic to suggest that using anything outside the anime can be misleading. On that same page, Urobuchi tweeted this. Quote:
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However, some people would take that as inconsistency, and some people do not like inconsistency. I understand why people would be disappointed if Kyubey turned out to be an angel in disguise, when he is so creepy... Well, you might say so to be consistent. But deep inside, I think you will enjoy the story if Urobuchi chooses to go straightforward. |
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And that is what we're doing. Mentar's predictions for the first couple of episodes went almost exactly according to his keen observation. The entire speculation threads are entirely filled with arguments and discussions based on our own interpretation of the episodes shown. And I personally do empathize with a lot of what the girls go through being thrown into such a grim and dark reality, and I do not judge the characters for their actions when they're faced with it. I disagree, we've been given a consistent bread crumb trail that all leads to one general theory. There has not been a lot contradictory evidence that meaningfully impacts the overall direction we've been culminating too. The only thing we have going against it is personal interpretations of what the evidence could mean. |
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1) Magical girls inevitably die or turn into witches. 2) Kyubey is an evil being carrying out an evil plot. So, if these predictions hold true, nobody is really going to have to re-watch the anime again, filtering scenes through the new knowledge of these plot events. Because they're already filtering scenes through with these assumptions in mind. Quote:
Now, however, everybody knows that Madoka Magica will be a dark anime, particularly so for magical girl anime. That's al I think that Urobuchi meant by that quote. Quote:
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Why is it so hard for you to accept that some people don't want a "straightforward" ending?
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Ah, but plot twists are specifically crafted to contrast with viewers' feelings. That's why it's a twist, and people generally like plot twists. It's the inconcistencies in logic that we should be wary of.
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