2012-10-18, 19:38 | Link #101 |
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lol rin is not King Aizen. She will never say that. But she is dead, she wont be brought back to life, obito wants her back, but in the dream world so she will love him only.
after all if she did come back to life, she will probably understand by kakashi killed a traitor(if she is a traitor)
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2012-10-18, 21:59 | Link #102 |
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Unless rin was created by madara's yin jutsu the way b. Zetsu was, and was sent to konoha to find the perfect uchiha whose young brain would snap hard enough for madara to remold into his successor.
Then she arranged to get kidnapped CONVENIENTLY above madara's secret base, so that obito would sacrifice himself so madara could send zetsu to bring him so he could be implanted with senju (which carries more of the crazy gene). THEN le piece de resistance, rin is killed by the boy's rival, bffm and bam. Mini madara It's the naruto version of sugar, spice and everything nice
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In the original trilogy we knew Darth Vader had done terrible things in the past but there was possible good and he got his moment; it took his life but he was able to redeem himself. Then we got the prequels and you realize the only reason why he’s been doing all of these horrible things in the future (for the most part) is because the wife he wasn’t supposed to have died, and he was manipulated like play dough. It took away the mystic and overwhelming power of Darth Vader from the original movies and reduced him to a whining teenager. This to me is what has happened to Obito/Tobi and that’s one reason why I don’t want him to have the Vader treatment. We already have the backstory and know his reason is overall juvenile and naïve (not to mention kind of crazy). I would much rather him succumb to his own madness than be given this tragic hero’s end just because it would boost the morale for Kakashi or Naruto. Maybe it could work, if handle right, but I have my fears that it would just seem like a complete 180.
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We don't know about his parents yet, so you're also complaining about a plot development(“because Rin died now I need to [...]”) you yourself created. |
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2012-10-19, 09:36 | Link #106 | |
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2012-10-19, 10:46 | Link #107 | |
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Once Obito has decided that reality isn't up to standard and needs to be rewritten into his own intoxicated utopia the specifics of this reality are irrelevant since they are meant to be dreamed away. Madara being evil and Rin being a spy/clone/whatever is just more reason to do away with reality and replace it with lalaland. |
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2012-10-19, 14:22 | Link #110 |
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finally the black zetsu mystery is clear, so it was madara's will to guide him when he needed it
and Nagato is of senju lineage, but it was told earlier that he is a uzumaki, may be he is both,now it also explains why nagato possessed the rinnegan, first i thought it was just a natural occurrence, those were madara's eyes, so it was madara who awakened the rinnegan i think that the the concept is very correct that when there is light there will be shadows,it's a causal relation that cannot be avoided, which i think would be a proper reason to create a fake dreamland where only good things happen,which does not happen in reality, and i think it's pretty clear that every doing is of obito, madara is the foundation of this fake dreamworld, but obito is still the constructor now it might seem quite improper or pathetic for obito creating a fake world only because his loved one dies and try to recreate her there and putting the rest world into chaos, but surely there would have been many unknown ninjas or people who would wanted to do something because their loved ones died, try to change their fate or do something about it, but the biggest difference is that obito had sources like himself being an uchiha and having MADARA himself as a mentor,
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2012-10-19, 14:44 | Link #111 |
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Why not? Obito just has to remove Madara from the equation and become the Juubi Jinchuuriki himself which honestly does look like what he was doing before Kabuto brought Madara back into the field.
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2012-10-19, 15:28 | Link #112 |
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I think Madara was going to be brought back to life, regardless. Obito bet on the possibility of using Sasuke, and that failed the moment Sasuke met Itachi. It then only became a question of when. And we still don't know the extent of control Madara has had on Obito.
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2012-10-19, 16:12 | Link #113 |
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You misunderstand. How can Obito know the plan is even possible if the one who told him of the plan lied about everything? Unless there is some instruction manual for the Jyuubi (or the moon) that shows that adding the bijuus power with a genjutsu equals dream world, then everything Obito did was based on Madara's wishes and machinations, and if everything Obito did was based on a lie then why should the master plan be any different?
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Here's my biggest problem with the Moon Eye plan, Madara's great plan is to create a genjutsu which would kill the entire population of the world, because people who aren't mostly plant or Zombies need things like food and water to stay alive. everyone under the Moon eye plan would be dead within 2 weeks??. making the Matrix with no life support is a terrible solution to the problem... in the Matrix at least the Machines knew how to keep the Humans alive and use them for Batteries.
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An other more advanced possibility is what the sage of six paths could do and the izanagi seems to be a heavily dumbed down version of it: make your illusion a reality, not only for yourself as with izanagi but for the whole world. With that jutsu there's no difference/barrier between illusion and reality, pretty scary stuff, then Obito's will is instantaneously transformed into reality. I would really be interested to see how Kishimoto imagined this, and since the original plan will obviously fail i really hope some lesser version of it will be shown later, and right now it seems that it can be done by Obito if he uses the incomplete 10-tails. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2012-10-20 at 08:52. |
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2012-10-20, 09:35 | Link #119 | |
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or it could be that obito was just in character or mind controlled at that time. point being that there are a few ways to look at it and it already makes sense without further explanation via my first interpretation |
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(Additionally, it is never explained how a jutsu designed to be used with eye contact is supposed to affect those that are blind, not to mention those that can't see the moon.) |
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