2013-11-12, 04:19 | Link #1061 | |
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And yes, the same is true in the real world. Do we know half the things the government does we don't know about? At the very least, we know the government of America is spying on politicians and important people as far away as Europe. So now that we know about it, we point our fingers towards them and scream about our rights to privacy. But just how many possible attacks were they able to prevent by monitoring possible danger? Time and time again tragedies have happened because nobody ever thought a person would do that. If these can be prevented by close surveillance, so be it.
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2013-11-12, 05:04 | Link #1062 | |
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Let me ask you one thing to see how far you are willing to go to support a guy like Danzo: would you let a guy like Danzo harm your loved ones, your family member, your children, or someone that you deeply care about because he says it will lead to peace? Where would you draw the line? You don't need to answer the question if you choose not do so since it is a bit personal. As for US foreign policy, errr... that's a topic we better not delve into in here. There are couple of threads in the General Chat section where argument such as yours has been laid to rest more than a few times by well supported reason. Btw, yes, calling people "hypocrites" is name-calling where the intention is to berate, insult, and etc. Don't let it get personal and don't cross the personal territory.
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2013-11-12, 05:26 | Link #1063 | |
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So from that standpoint, I can see where people are coming from. Nobody can imagine that they would be willing to kill their own family, and so they convince themselves that it's probably not worth it anyways. But here, we're talking about a situation where there was no other way. Itachi knew for a fact the Uchiha were planning a bloody massacre, and he knew there was only one way to prevent it. It must be nice to be able to pretend that what Danzo said was exaggerated, and that the massacre was probably not necessary. But this threat was real, not some vague promise of world peace and happiness for all.
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2013-11-12, 05:57 | Link #1064 | ||
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The point is, I simply have hard time imagining that killing the entire clan was the only possible way to stop a coup just because Itachi thought so as such. Quote:
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2013-11-12, 07:13 | Link #1065 | |
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And you have Danzo wanting Tsunade to die and save the villagers at the same time.I know he made that statement and he might not have thought tsunade was going to almost die. But the main point of Danzo getting his way was that Naruto would not show up during the attack at all,that's not what Danzo got but it is what Danzo wanted. And for the record i don't think Danzo was evil,he committed treason but that's not evil. Last edited by Monster0; 2013-11-12 at 07:44. |
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Danzo only managed to delay Naruto for maybe ten minutes, he had already finished his training. The only thing that happened in this short time was Naruto realizing that he could use Kage Bunshin to extend the time limit of for Sage mode in movement, a realization he could also have made during the first few minutes of his fight against Pain with the same result. Quote:
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2013-11-12, 17:51 | Link #1067 |
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What is said about Itachi might also be applied to Danzo.It's hard to consider things we don't know about Danzo,like his up-bringing.What was Danzo's childhood like?
What we see as child abuse is to Danzo the greatest of all honor. However his cowardice throws a lot of doubt on his honor.Cowardice,stupidity,and resentment does not make one evil,but it does make one a bad ninja and leader. |
2013-11-12, 21:00 | Link #1068 | |
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2013-11-14, 10:47 | Link #1069 |
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So the Uchiha who 'invented' Izanami was a woman? Also, YES! I KNEW the fanon theory (I've seen more than one fic with it) that "Uchiha women can't have Sharingan" was false! Look at that Mangekyo!
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2013-11-14, 14:17 | Link #1071 |
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Yay for crappy filler.
Izanagi and Izanami do not require the Mangekyo for their use, just a Sharingan is enough (Mangekyo can be used but is not required) and yet this filler has everyone with Mangekyo even though it is supposed to be very rare. Also if you have the power of the Mangekyo why the hell would you sacrifice it for just a one use Izanagi? |
2013-11-14, 14:51 | Link #1072 | |
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First example. The Kyuubi attack Which results with the 4th Hokage dead along with lots of other Konoha ninja as well as there big protective wall being broken. No other villages launch a large scale attack. Second example Orochimaru's invasion of Konoha The 3rd Hokage is dead as well as lots of other ninja plus Konoha's former strongest ally Suna now being an enemy and even if they reform the alliance quickly Suna is still leaderless. And if they wait a little while not only will Jiraiya have left the village for a month with the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki but Kakashi will also be out of commission. No other villages launch a large scale attack Third example Pain's invasion Village is destroyed and the 5th Hokage is out of action No other villages launch a large scale attack |
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2013-11-14, 15:15 | Link #1073 |
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Those Uchiha brothers have so many powers.
It pretty amazing when you give some thought. Usually, shinobi have a small, limited number of jutsu. But those Uchiha's are an exception, a very powerful one. Guess only the gifted ones are lucky to have that much power. Those two are also a nice example of how easy it is to go to the dark side. The unavoidable flashbacks were nice. Looks like Sasuke has some resentment towards Itachi. Well, that's hardly surprising...
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Wow, this episode is so bad. "Ha, I'll use my Izanagi on you now!" "I don't think so, I got Izanagi too!" "Wait up, my Izanagi will win!".
It reminds me of Yu-Gi-Oh, where they keep screaming "You activated my trap card!" "Too bad for you, I had another trap card!" "But wait, bet you didn't see this trap card coming!". Everyone is way too comfortable with sacrificing an eye for escaping death once. It's a one time use, and if you use the other eye too, twice. But then you're blind completely, and you'll get killed for sure. They all act as though Izanagi is a weapon they can keep on using, while that's not the case. And in a one on one fight, the guy who uses Izanagi first is basically at a huge disadvantage, because he can't use it anymore while the other guy can. Ridiculous. This is why I hate anime filler. Also, at first I thought this took place before the villages were founded. But then suddenly they all had a Konoha forehead protector. Are you telling me the Uchiha were killing each other off while living in the village, and the Hokage allowed this? Come on.
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2013-11-15, 11:37 | Link #1076 |
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I was actually glad they didn't spend too much time on explaining it in the manga. And the reason for that is this episode. It was a ridiculous story in the manga, but it was only a few lines and not that important, so forgettable. The anime went full retard with it.
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I can't summarize it to make sense, it doesn't, but basically :
As far as the filler scene with the Uchiha murdering each other screaming "There can be only one eye!" I didn't get it. Maybe they were fighting over their last slice of pizza. Quote:
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