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malvado · 2006-05-27, 18:10

People lets get real lets settle this discussion once and for all. WHo is the greatest ninja in the manga? Lets settle this not fanboysm but real facts.

First of all ORo: Oro is am imcredible genius. An once in a decade genius. HIs talent was so incredible that the God of shinobi wanted him to become his successor ad he was laready the 2nd strongest man alive at age 12. He was already strong enough to succeed Sarutobi. But it weasnt only his talent because if that was the case Neji, Yondai and others would also be that special.
At his current age Oro is stronger than ever, Everytime he switches bodies he overcomes age and death and gains new abilities. Even if some of his new abilities like ima bark another me bunshin (lol) belonged to the original body host he is still incredible. He cant b killed, at least not easily and dont say if it wasnt for the body, no homeboy thats not the case. The body was gained by a jutsu and jutsus are part of ones strength. He has also probably got the largest no junchuriki chakra pole in Naruto. He can use the cursed seal which increases ones chakra pole tenfold even without transformin. NO wonder Deidara who can blow up a whole village said Akatsuki would need Oro.Plus he can revive the dead.

Itachi: well he has got incredible abilities as well. Plus he has got the MS. he can kill anyone with his eyes regardless how strong that person is. He is nr 1 candidate in the I can whoop Oros ass contest.

Yondaime: Can move instantly with the help of his kunais. Can summon the death God and has got the best skills we ve seen so far. How so? Im no Yellow Flash but Yondaime was indeed the greatest taijutsu user. The rasengan is really fast and with his speed all he can kill anyone. I just wonder if he could use rasengan with his foot or as a shield like Leon from Black cat. He was probably the smoothest killer of all times. I dunno of ANbu can trace chakra, but if thats the case anyone would get could. Since chakra will always leave traces. But Yondaime is different. He can simply teleport to a certain place use a kunai to dispose of his enemy and then disappear without leavin a trace since the chakra is sealed inside the kunai.
With the death God Yondaime can kill anyone he wants. Even if it means losing his own life.

My conclusion: Yondaime is the greatest ninja ever. A ninja is supposed to be quiet, catch his enemy off guard something Yonsy has no trouble doing. BUt when it comes to real fighting abilities I would say Itachi is better. Yondaime can dispose of Oro once he uses Shiki Fuujin but Itachi is different. Itachi can use MS and will definitily kill Yondaime.

I gave your facts. Now gimme your opinion and lets not talk about this ever again. PS: YW or FBK.

Rich · 2006-05-27, 18:17

OMG.................. it's like a YELLOW FLASH topic...... jesus christ super star~

Yellow Flash · 2006-05-27, 18:21

"Yondaime is the greatest shinobi."

Jiraiya said this, who is Orochimaru's comrade and had an encounter with Itachi.

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Originally Posted by malvado

Yondaime was indeed the greatest taijutsu user.

Quoted for truth.

Rich · 2006-05-27, 18:25

yes yes and itachi said that he couldn't defeat jiraiya whether if he died with him and oro said that he couldn't be matched with jiraiya, so yondaime is the greatest shinobi because jiraiya is his teacher and is the fourth hokage...

-end of topic-

Yondaime-The Fourth · 2006-05-27, 18:25

wow. he completed contradicted himself like ten times. You made this thread and in doing so when explaining your part you confused me. Yellow Flash has no idea what hes talking about. As far as I know Yondaime is really powerful As is Itachi and Orochimaru. Who knows who is stronger. If I were to choose Id say probably either Yondaime or Itachi. Orochimaru is out of their league. a03 uhhh i think you meant to say jiraiya is yondaimes teacher. However I think Yondaime surpassed Jiraiya a long time ago its like a never ending cycle.
Itachi can defeat Orochimaru. That eliminates Orochimaru. If Jiraiya can defeat Itachi and Kisame that must mean Yondaime who is probably either the successor or equal of Jiraiya can beat Itachi and Orochimaru. Therefore Yondaime is the most powerful.

Rich · 2006-05-27, 18:35

i'm typing jibberish too, i don't know what i'm typing too..... i just want this thread to end because there are too many threads alike this to say that yondaime is the greatest shinobi and there is no point to it. all they want us to say is "Yondaime is the greatest" thats all..... just want to end this thread ^^

Yondaime-The Fourth · 2006-05-27, 18:39

yeah i see your point Yellow flash most of all would like to hear those words
YONDAIME IS THE GREATEST SHINOBI GAME OVER.

Rurik · 2006-05-27, 18:43

Let see.... the difference between Oro,Yondie and Itachi...

Itachi has Black Hair and his eyes sometimes turns red because of a disease his carry called Sharingan, He likes to Paint his nails Black and he likes to dress in Black so he is sort of Gothic or EMo

Oro IS pale white and is a CManga copy of MJ, including the likes of Young kids.

Yondie was Blond and he needed to use a teleporting Jutsu because he was to weak to fight like a man.

Sooo, what more differences do you want?

Ichimaru · 2006-05-28, 04:40

i dont think they are the strongest ninja in narutouniverse. That goes to shikamaru, with his IQ, he can be the strongest ever, but this dude lacks ambitions, hardworking etc....his not being push or been in a position that threatens his wellbeing or comrades to push him become more stronger. To me he lacks alot in many areas of being a ninja, no taijutsu, and i doubt gengutsu will have any affect on him since he was able to escape from them many times.

If you were to fight him in his own environment or in a tournament, he wouldve planned it ahead 1000-2000 steps in advance to beat u in any area. ive realised that whoever has higher chakra than him will get out of his shadow strangle holds.

Kikaifan · 2006-05-29, 21:20

Yondaime was all-around talented, but the fact that his signature ability was just 'teleport faster than other people' was really lame. Orochimaru's talent seems to be slightly less, but he just keeps living and keeps advancing himself, whereas Yondaime is... let's see... dead. Orochimaru also seems to be the master of survival what with his inanely fast kawarimi and that whole thing where he just won't die. Itachi is a one-trick pony. With Tsukiyomi he has the potential to kill any opponent, yes. But if you took away each person's specialty, Yondaime and Orochimaru would still be obscenely powerful, whereas Itachi would just be a slightly-improved Kakashi.

Maybe it's just the fact that Yondaime is already dead, but to me Orochimaru seems like the man to fear out of those three.

Demongod86 · 2006-05-29, 21:46

Orochimaru is having trouble with little Naruto. Cmon now...we've only heard how good Yondaime is, but it seems that Yondaime simply wins because his opponents don't even get off a single move...you run across one of his Kunais and oh crap, your throat's slit before anything happens. Yondaime I don't think would rarely fight someone head on...he'd just be a good ninja about it and aku soku zan...instakill them.

In a straight up fight, I'd definitely have to give it to Itachi. If tsukiyomi doesn't kill you, how about dying in an explosion of dark flames thanks to Amaterasu? Itachi is probably hands down the best ninjutsu user, and ninjutsu goes a lot further than straight up hand to hand taijutsu, or try-to-trick your opponent genjutsu.

As for Orochimaru, he has a whole boatload of techniques, but none of them are particularly as amazing as Amaterasu or Hiraishin (yellow flash).

Psychoray · 2006-05-30, 01:57

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Originally Posted by Demongod86

As for Orochimaru, he has a whole boatload of techniques, but none of them are particularly as amazing as Amaterasu or Hiraishin (yellow flash).

Edo Tensei?

malvado · 2006-05-30, 05:23

All Orochimarus techniques are amazing. The God of shinobi called his techniques incredible abilities and said Oro was a genius you only come across once every few decades. Not to mention Orochimaru is the only oponnent we ve seen so far who can use more than one technique at the same time plus he cant b killed. In my opinion Itachi and Saru are the only persons capable of killing him. We dunno what will happen if his neck gets sliced. I think the snakes would just regenerate him. I think it would be a tie between him and Yondaime cuz Yondaime would just run awat once he realized Oro cant b killed. But if it really gets outta control Yondi has still got shiki fuujin which is probably the most powerful technique we ve seen so far. Not to mention Yondi is young and according to Tsunade lack of a power is something you cant really relate to Yondi. SO Yondi would just win wether you l;ike it or not. You guys know how much I look down on Yondi but i gotta adimit is a better shinobi then Oro. No matter which jutsus you use Yondi will always b able to defeat you.

fatez · 2006-05-30, 12:36

Come on guys, it has to be Yondi and here is the reason why. While most of you are basing on what others characters in the narutoverse are saying how one is awesome that or this, but yondi is one step above that. Like how Saru praises oro, itachi praises Jiraya, and Oro praises Itachi. So we run into the conflict who is the strongest/best ninja/hokage/characters. But yondi had an unbias opinion by the narrator in the introduction of Naruto. Are you guys forgetting about that? The narrator is using Yondi as a measuring stick to everybody else. Nobody else was praise by the narrator, and in a story (the narrator) is god's voice itself. Obviously, than Yondi would be the best and since he is also "dead", his legacy can't be surpass because he has raisen to the status of a legendary hero now. How can you top that?

Last_Hope · 2006-05-30, 12:42

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Originally Posted by malvado

Not to mention Orochimaru is the only oponnent we ve seen so far who can use more than one technique at the same time

You´re forgetting the third. Sarutobi. He combined jutsu´s with different origins (water, earth, fire etc...) in his fight against Orochimaru.

Rich · 2006-05-30, 13:01

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Originally Posted by Last_Hope

You´re forgetting the third. Sarutobi. He combined jutsu´s with different origins (water, earth, fire etc...) in his fight against Orochimaru.

reason why Sarutobi can combine water, earth, and fire is because he was taught by shodaime-sama and niidaime-sama themselves... that makes Sarutobi the professor of ninjutsus

i would love to see the Sandaime when he was young, and what he is capable of doing ^^

Hunter · 2006-05-30, 13:11

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Originally Posted by fatez

[...]But yondi had an unbias opinion by the narrator in the introduction of Naruto. Are you guys forgetting about that? The narrator is using Yondi as a measuring stick to everybody else. Nobody else was praise by the narrator, and in a story (the narrator) is god's voice itself. that?
[...]

The narrator at the introduction said that he was the greatest hero of Konoha who sacrified his life for the village.
Nothing about petty analyze about who's stronger than who.

fatez · 2006-05-30, 13:50

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Originally Posted by Hunter

The narrator at the introduction said that he was the greatest hero of Konoha who sacrified his life for the village.
Nothing about petty analyze about who's stronger than who.

Wow, do we all need to be explicitly spoon fed. It is a shonen show afterall and thus it follow certain Shonen rules.

Hunter · 2006-05-30, 14:20

Always love when people got nothing to say after being wrong but inventing some self called "shonen rules" to back up a nonexisting point.
But hey since you're a shonen specialist and since it seems to be a Rule of this kind of story could you back up your point by quoting a bunch of series following this pattern?

You know not like Dragon Quest for example which start with the narrator talking about the greatest hero saving the world from the Demon King.
Hero with the big heart, the sacrifice technique to kill the Demon, remaining into everyone's heartfor his courage and who ends up not even close to the strongest people in the series after a bunch of volumes.
Or like shonen where the hero doesn't achieve his dream, where he lose in the end, where -more rarely- he even die failing.
Heck or shonen where the hero is the vilain like Death Note.

malvado · 2006-05-30, 14:20

tHat was a filler. The third never combined jutsus in the manga. WHile Orochimaru stretched his neck and was able to use the cursed seal. He fought Naruto using at least 4 jutsus at the same time and was able to regenerate himself. He only lost cuz he was rejected by the body. Reason why? I really dunno. He was hopeless cuz Sasuke hadnt arrived yet. Get it?

2006-05-27, 18:10	Link #1
malvado Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	the difference between Oro, Itachi and Yondi People lets get real lets settle this discussion once and for all. WHo is the greatest ninja in the manga? Lets settle this not fanboysm but real facts. First of all ORo: Oro is am imcredible genius. An once in a decade genius. HIs talent was so incredible that the God of shinobi wanted him to become his successor ad he was laready the 2nd strongest man alive at age 12. He was already strong enough to succeed Sarutobi. But it weasnt only his talent because if that was the case Neji, Yondai and others would also be that special. At his current age Oro is stronger than ever, Everytime he switches bodies he overcomes age and death and gains new abilities. Even if some of his new abilities like ima bark another me bunshin (lol) belonged to the original body host he is still incredible. He cant b killed, at least not easily and dont say if it wasnt for the body, no homeboy thats not the case. The body was gained by a jutsu and jutsus are part of ones strength. He has also probably got the largest no junchuriki chakra pole in Naruto. He can use the cursed seal which increases ones chakra pole tenfold even without transformin. NO wonder Deidara who can blow up a whole village said Akatsuki would need Oro.Plus he can revive the dead. Itachi: well he has got incredible abilities as well. Plus he has got the MS. he can kill anyone with his eyes regardless how strong that person is. He is nr 1 candidate in the I can whoop Oros ass contest. Yondaime: Can move instantly with the help of his kunais. Can summon the death God and has got the best skills we ve seen so far. How so? Im no Yellow Flash but Yondaime was indeed the greatest taijutsu user. The rasengan is really fast and with his speed all he can kill anyone. I just wonder if he could use rasengan with his foot or as a shield like Leon from Black cat. He was probably the smoothest killer of all times. I dunno of ANbu can trace chakra, but if thats the case anyone would get could. Since chakra will always leave traces. But Yondaime is different. He can simply teleport to a certain place use a kunai to dispose of his enemy and then disappear without leavin a trace since the chakra is sealed inside the kunai. With the death God Yondaime can kill anyone he wants. Even if it means losing his own life. My conclusion: Yondaime is the greatest ninja ever. A ninja is supposed to be quiet, catch his enemy off guard something Yonsy has no trouble doing. BUt when it comes to real fighting abilities I would say Itachi is better. Yondaime can dispose of Oro once he uses Shiki Fuujin but Itachi is different. Itachi can use MS and will definitily kill Yondaime. I gave your facts. Now gimme your opinion and lets not talk about this ever again. PS: YW or FBK. Last edited by malvado; 2006-05-28 at 11:17.

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Rich AnimeSuki's Hentai-sama Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hong Kong	yes yes and itachi said that he couldn't defeat jiraiya whether if he died with him and oro said that he couldn't be matched with jiraiya, so yondaime is the greatest shinobi because jiraiya is his teacher and is the fourth hokage... -end of topic- Last edited by Rich; 2006-05-27 at 18:35.

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Rurik Golden Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: 9th Temple Age: 45	Let see.... the difference between Oro,Yondie and Itachi... Itachi has Black Hair and his eyes sometimes turns red because of a disease his carry called Sharingan, He likes to Paint his nails Black and he likes to dress in Black so he is sort of Gothic or EMo Oro IS pale white and is a CManga copy of MJ, including the likes of Young kids. Yondie was Blond and he needed to use a teleporting Jutsu because he was to weak to fight like a man. Sooo, what more differences do you want? __________________ "when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -

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Ichimaru Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	i dont think they are the strongest ninja in narutouniverse. That goes to shikamaru, with his IQ, he can be the strongest ever, but this dude lacks ambitions, hardworking etc....his not being push or been in a position that threatens his wellbeing or comrades to push him become more stronger. To me he lacks alot in many areas of being a ninja, no taijutsu, and i doubt gengutsu will have any affect on him since he was able to escape from them many times. If you were to fight him in his own environment or in a tournament, he wouldve planned it ahead 1000-2000 steps in advance to beat u in any area. ive realised that whoever has higher chakra than him will get out of his shadow strangle holds. __________________ SHINSOU

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Demongod86 Gundam Boobs and Boom FTW Join Date: Dec 2005	Orochimaru is having trouble with little Naruto. Cmon now...we've only heard how good Yondaime is, but it seems that Yondaime simply wins because his opponents don't even get off a single move...you run across one of his Kunais and oh crap, your throat's slit before anything happens. Yondaime I don't think would rarely fight someone head on...he'd just be a good ninja about it and aku soku zan...instakill them. In a straight up fight, I'd definitely have to give it to Itachi. If tsukiyomi doesn't kill you, how about dying in an explosion of dark flames thanks to Amaterasu? Itachi is probably hands down the best ninjutsu user, and ninjutsu goes a lot further than straight up hand to hand taijutsu, or try-to-trick your opponent genjutsu. As for Orochimaru, he has a whole boatload of techniques, but none of them are particularly as amazing as Amaterasu or Hiraishin (yellow flash). __________________ Signature stolen by a horde of carnivorous bunnies. It is an unscientifically proven fact that they are attracted to signatures which break the signature rules.

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Rich AnimeSuki's Hentai-sama Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hong Kong	OMG.................. it's like a YELLOW FLASH topic...... jesus christ super star~

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Yondaime-The Fourth Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: america Age: 33	wow. he completed contradicted himself like ten times. You made this thread and in doing so when explaining your part you confused me. Yellow Flash has no idea what hes talking about. As far as I know Yondaime is really powerful As is Itachi and Orochimaru. Who knows who is stronger. If I were to choose Id say probably either Yondaime or Itachi. Orochimaru is out of their league. a03 uhhh i think you meant to say jiraiya is yondaimes teacher. However I think Yondaime surpassed Jiraiya a long time ago its like a never ending cycle. Itachi can defeat Orochimaru. That eliminates Orochimaru. If Jiraiya can defeat Itachi and Kisame that must mean Yondaime who is probably either the successor or equal of Jiraiya can beat Itachi and Orochimaru. Therefore Yondaime is the most powerful.

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Rich AnimeSuki's Hentai-sama Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hong Kong	i'm typing jibberish too, i don't know what i'm typing too..... i just want this thread to end because there are too many threads alike this to say that yondaime is the greatest shinobi and there is no point to it. all they want us to say is "Yondaime is the greatest" thats all..... just want to end this thread ^^

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Yondaime-The Fourth Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: america Age: 33	yeah i see your point Yellow flash most of all would like to hear those words YONDAIME IS THE GREATEST SHINOBI GAME OVER.

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Kikaifan Blazing General Join Date: May 2006 Location: CA Age: 37	Yondaime was all-around talented, but the fact that his signature ability was just 'teleport faster than other people' was really lame. Orochimaru's talent seems to be slightly less, but he just keeps living and keeps advancing himself, whereas Yondaime is... let's see... dead. Orochimaru also seems to be the master of survival what with his inanely fast kawarimi and that whole thing where he just won't die. Itachi is a one-trick pony. With Tsukiyomi he has the potential to kill any opponent, yes. But if you took away each person's specialty, Yondaime and Orochimaru would still be obscenely powerful, whereas Itachi would just be a slightly-improved Kakashi. Maybe it's just the fact that Yondaime is already dead, but to me Orochimaru seems like the man to fear out of those three.

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malvado Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	All Orochimarus techniques are amazing. The God of shinobi called his techniques incredible abilities and said Oro was a genius you only come across once every few decades. Not to mention Orochimaru is the only oponnent we ve seen so far who can use more than one technique at the same time plus he cant b killed. In my opinion Itachi and Saru are the only persons capable of killing him. We dunno what will happen if his neck gets sliced. I think the snakes would just regenerate him. I think it would be a tie between him and Yondaime cuz Yondaime would just run awat once he realized Oro cant b killed. But if it really gets outta control Yondi has still got shiki fuujin which is probably the most powerful technique we ve seen so far. Not to mention Yondi is young and according to Tsunade lack of a power is something you cant really relate to Yondi. SO Yondi would just win wether you l;ike it or not. You guys know how much I look down on Yondi but i gotta adimit is a better shinobi then Oro. No matter which jutsus you use Yondi will always b able to defeat you.

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fatez Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: TX	Come on guys, it has to be Yondi and here is the reason why. While most of you are basing on what others characters in the narutoverse are saying how one is awesome that or this, but yondi is one step above that. Like how Saru praises oro, itachi praises Jiraya, and Oro praises Itachi. So we run into the conflict who is the strongest/best ninja/hokage/characters. But yondi had an unbias opinion by the narrator in the introduction of Naruto. Are you guys forgetting about that? The narrator is using Yondi as a measuring stick to everybody else. Nobody else was praise by the narrator, and in a story (the narrator) is god's voice itself. Obviously, than Yondi would be the best and since he is also "dead", his legacy can't be surpass because he has raisen to the status of a legendary hero now. How can you top that? __________________ Every body is equal, but some or more equal than others.

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Hunter Bubbly and super fun Join Date: May 2003 Location: Doesn't look like Kansas	Always love when people got nothing to say after being wrong but inventing some self called "shonen rules" to back up a nonexisting point. But hey since you're a shonen specialist and since it seems to be a Rule of this kind of story could you back up your point by quoting a bunch of series following this pattern? You know not like Dragon Quest for example which start with the narrator talking about the greatest hero saving the world from the Demon King. Hero with the big heart, the sacrifice technique to kill the Demon, remaining into everyone's heartfor his courage and who ends up not even close to the strongest people in the series after a bunch of volumes. Or like shonen where the hero doesn't achieve his dream, where he lose in the end, where -more rarely- he even die failing. Heck or shonen where the hero is the vilain like Death Note.

2006-05-30, 14:20	Link #20
malvado Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	tHat was a filler. The third never combined jutsus in the manga. WHile Orochimaru stretched his neck and was able to use the cursed seal. He fought Naruto using at least 4 jutsus at the same time and was able to regenerate himself. He only lost cuz he was rejected by the body. Reason why? I really dunno. He was hopeless cuz Sasuke hadnt arrived yet. Get it?