2017-09-09, 00:54 | Link #601 | ||
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It's seems everyone is expecting El's coming back after a Good Friday. I am more interested about Jeanne's new transformation. Even demon knows she is going to kick rears, see how Lucifer is moved when Azazel mentions her name. We just don't know if her battle mode will meet expectations. Hopefully, I will not be disappointed with the next episode's action. Although I like Jeanne's anime original design, it lacks armor. Comparing to Bahamut's Jeanne and Granblue Fantasy's Jeanne, anime Jeanne looks serious. Instead of the innocent looking face, she looks determined. By the way, Jeanne's new outfit reminds me about Alicia's attire, except Alicia's cloth doesn't expose skin as much. Quote:
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2017-09-09, 01:04 | Link #602 | |
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Stab. Stab. Stab. They were entirely powerless and this is after El basically annihilated the heavy hitters of humans like those dragon barges or the hundreds of giant golems. Just the Onyx Soldiers versus several times of their count in god warriors turned out to be a one sided massacre. EP19 also shows why gods don't seem to have giant units like humans or especially demons do. They are just so powerful individually it doesn't matter. Charioce even sent companies of hand-picked demon gladiators against the god warriors and they died with trivial ease. If such foes can be trumped by the Onyx Soldiers what do you think the chances of the demons would be in comparison? None. See? That's why Lucifer was busy doing nothing. |
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2017-09-09, 04:24 | Link #603 | ||
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2017-09-09, 05:19 | Link #604 | |
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At first I wanted to say that El might be vulnerable to regular weapons because he's half-human (Nina certainly doesn't enjoy an immunity unless transformed) but then you have early scenes where archers shoot at demons or even Azazel without magic boost... they are bound to expect these to be effective. Even when in case of Azazel they still weren't a threat. Azazel regardless had to defend himself against Charioce and Kaisar's swings when they fought. This is also why I am not worried about humans in general. They are a major power now and even removing Charioce, Dromos and the Onyx Soldiers wouldn't change this enough to force Mankind into another subservience or worse threaten them with annihilation. They must be treated as equals. |
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2017-09-09, 07:19 | Link #605 | |
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2017-09-09, 08:38 | Link #606 | |
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2017-09-09, 09:26 | Link #607 | |
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I refuse to believe Mugaro is dead. I need to see them burn or bury his body before I believe it! ;-;
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2017-09-09, 09:38 | Link #608 |
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El/Mugaro might be sweet and it's sad to see him go but calling him innocent is quite a stretch. He stoically watched as thousands die when the gods descended down on humans, an action he directly enabled by blocking magic/magitech on the human side. They didn't try to pacify them or anything nice, they outright murdered anything they saw. As ironic as it may seem El's kill count is thousands of times higher than Alessand's.
Would this make Alessand's action justified? Define what you mean justify. Do we understand why he did it? Yup. Do we support it? Fuck no! But it makes me sick when people make "acceptable targets" and pretend actions involving them doesn't count. El was a sweet kid with a tough life which warped him. He was many things but innocent he was not. He was right on the path to redemption, to become something great. Alas it never happened and he died when it was the least expected. It was tragic and infuriating. But pretending he was blameless does not sit well with me. |
2017-09-09, 10:11 | Link #609 | |
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Can Rita zombify El? |
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2017-09-09, 14:24 | Link #610 | |
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I don't think she'd want to? As she noted to Kaisar at one point, it's a mystery as to why she is not a mindless monster; her zombie powers certainly turn everyone (and everything, even a dragon at point) she bites into mindless zombies. She probably wouldn't want that to happen to Mugaro.
Plus in Virgin Soul she seems to have forgotten that she even has this power. During the prison break-out I was shouting "USE YOUR ZOMBIE POWER!!!" at the screen, but it never happened. I guess this is coming from the same place as Azazel's strongest negative qualities being heavily toned down from the start. Probably it's because they need to be more unambiguously sympathetic in this series. You wouldn't want your good guy character turning people into brain-munching zombies (even though she totally did that in Genesis, more than once). Quote:
On the topic of being self-centered and rash, I wonder how the current situation will play out. (I mean, I have a good guess but the show might just do something else.) This situation is really bad, and has potentially terrible consequences for everyone involved, and here I mean all races, not just individuals, and the moral high ground of the anti-Charioce alliance(? is this an alliance?) is pretty damn shaky. |
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2017-09-09, 14:50 | Link #611 |
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Slavery, Attempted Genocide, General Warmongering, Free Speech Suppression, Torture?
I don't think the alliance is currently lacking in Moral High Ground. I am sure if the alliance wins they are just going to put Jaune on the Human Throne. She will end slavery sign a treaty with the Gods and Demons and every goes back to S1 Status Quo. |
2017-09-09, 16:09 | Link #612 | |
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Attempted genocide - I still don't get this one, but whatever. General warmongering - you mean the part where Azazel & Jeanne incite a potentially devastating war against an enemy who they know has the fantasy equivalent of a WMD, out of purely personal interests - knowing fully well that their respective leaders are unlikely to stop at just destroying that particlar enemy? Free Speech Suppression - As in...? I didn't see him ordering the guards to make Nina shut up when she was giving him a piece of her mind in front of his entire court in the first cour. Not to mention this is a fantasy medieval non-parliamental monarchy, "freedom of speech" is not exactly a staple of those. I don't remember anyone in the group as much as mentioning "hey, he's a dick and also he suppresses free speech!" Because it's not something they actually care about. Torture - You do realize that the alliance (let's call it that) includes Azazel, right? I also haven't seen anyone in the group much as mention "hey, he's a dick, also: torture!" Because... fantasy medieval monarchy, blah blah blah. In Genesis Jeanne was set to be burned at the stake and that was the old king. It would be massively hypocritical for them to claim that they care about it now, considering that even Kaisar was never shown to give a damn during all these years. Thing is, even with all the shitty things that Charioce did actually do, the thing that spurred Azazel & Jeanne into "THIS IS ALL-OUT WAR!!!!" was the death of someone they loved. And that's Azazel and Jeanne who are at least emotionally invested in all this, but Lucifer and Gabriel? Lucifer was more concerned with sitting around and waiting for the times to turn better than protecting his people (how difficult would it have been to set up spies, aid, etc.? But nah, books are better). Gabriel only cares about punishing the insolent human who turned against her, and to fold humans back under the gods' influence. (Yet, after the Bahamut incident she was clearly more concerned with licking her wounds than protecting humans from rampaging demons, yet she expected humans to revere the gods.) Add to this that for all his flaws Charioce is, in fact, innocent in Mugaro's death, so there's this huge, earth-shattering battle brewing over what is essentially a misconceptio. And sure, Charioce did enough bad things that whatever happens to him won't be undeserved, but "uh, actually, guys? turns out he didn't do this particular thing we went to all-out war with him for... but er, he totally deserves it anyway!" is not exactly a respectable argument when you're waging a righteous war. Everything else aside... you do realize that the status quo in S1 was pretty damn bad, right? That's why things got to the point they are now. And if you think slavery didn't exist back then you need to rewatch the show, because in the very first episode you have goons hunting down women to be sex slaves (and potential torture/murder victims) for the local demon summoner bad guy. |
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2017-09-09, 16:19 | Link #613 |
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Chaorice already had a kill order out on Mugara so sure he didn't specifically tell Allesand to go kill the kid but he has made it clear before he wants the kid dead. Nice Try.
Chaorice is King, if he wanted to crack down on slavery...he crack down on Slavery. This isn't democracy where poor Chaorice was overruled by Parliament. |
2017-09-09, 17:50 | Link #614 |
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I expect Azazel to be the one to find Alessand and not Jeanne. Jeanne would execute him on the spot or something but there's no1 better to give him what he deserves than Azazel ~ would be pretty fitting.
Jeanne should seek out Chaorice to finish him off, assuming Nina doesn't end up being the one to do it. That or he'll just get all his lifeforce drained out of him by that stone before either of 'em get to him, lol.. |
2017-09-09, 19:13 | Link #616 |
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Just a reminder that the OP shows a team of Nina, Favaro, Kaisar, Azazel and Charioce. That's still an unlikely combination unless Jeanne plus the gods are the enemy. And won't Bahamut be showing his snout sometime soon as well?
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2017-09-09, 21:01 | Link #618 | |
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Even if he has done all this to prepare for a great threat why didnīt talk to the gods about it? Hell anyone would have been fine! But now play time is over, Chariose must di and he will die, there is no way the demons, gods and human rebels are going to let this monster walk away from this even if the theat to the world is real. |
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2017-09-09, 21:30 | Link #619 | ||
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Anatae is more prosperous than ever before, humanity jumped centuries in development under just a decade and demons right now are working for them instead of randomly causing mayhem for 5 straight years now. The only bad part is for them the fact things are changing and they are unsure about this. And well, this is going to be the second battle in less than a year. But well, prior to this they were constantly at war with the demons which Charioce "fixed" in a flash. Heck, in the 3 years preceding his rule this situation was becoming far worse than before. So how exactly he's making the life of humans worse? You could easily argue that making life better for mankind might not even have been his true intention but the fact remains humans objectively live better. And if you think XVII's rule is oppressive then compare this with XIII who was a paranoiac idiot who could execute you for as much as saying up against him, or he just thinking you were badmouthing him. So this is the equivalent of declaring pre-2003 Iraq preferable to the USA and expecting people to take you seriously. Quote:
A king's power is not absolute. Just like any government they can be overthrown. If Charioce flexes his authority too much against the will of his people things can end for him before he accomplishes his goal. See the situation with Nina and that was just one person. Most kings at least had the freedom to spare their enemies, for Charioce even that was pushed on as an unacceptable thing. He's bound. Furthermore he's focused on something entirely else. He doesn't have time to work on social issues. Heck, he doesn't even have time to fight the Gods or anyone who wishes to face him. He has one objective and that alone. And he doesn't care what happens after it. |
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2017-09-09, 21:56 | Link #620 | |
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