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There is apparently "proof" now that Hamas is firing rockets from civilian buildings... Except we already know that. Somehow Israel supporters actually think we don't believe them, that we deny Hamas use human shields. That if they pull out proof that Hamas is being Hamas, that we would okay their bombing of civilians. Well guess what? We do believe that Hamas use civilians as shields. That's not the problem. The problem is that Israel bombs the human shields like clockwork. The "proof" changed nothing.
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2014-08-05, 13:48 | Link #34442 |
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Actually I think for Israel to bomb/disregard the human shields would fit Hama's purpose perfectly. It fuels hatred and swells Hama's ranks. So if anything, Israel is only making matters worse for themselves - unless they are trying to exterminate all Palestinians.
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2014-08-05, 14:02 | Link #34443 | |
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2014-08-05, 14:05 | Link #34444 | |
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i seriously doubt Hamas leadership is willing to sacrifice themselves.
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2014-08-05, 14:07 | Link #34445 | |
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And even if leaders die, they get replaced. For as long as civilians are dying Hamas would always have new blood to replace their lost numbers.
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2014-08-05, 14:08 | Link #34446 | |
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And UN indirectly became a war sponsor in doing so, thus it becomes a headache for international law. Israel reserves the right to bomb the crap out of it, technically speaking, but the children in the school are "collateral damage"; in the case which the children refuse to flee or decided or staying, they are considered accomplices in terrorist action because the paramilitary wing of Hamas is not considered to be a state actor under international law. Also, I have seen plenty of photos from Syria being "adapted" into this conflict. This conflict is pure rubbish. I guess the IDF recognised that part. Since the Palestine civilians are likely either Hamas today or Hamas tomorrow, might as well shoot first, talk later.
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2014-08-05, 14:23 | Link #34447 |
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If Israel had an "absolutely never hurt civilians"-policy, then Hamas would just drag innocent civilians from the streets and with 1 meat shield per terrorist walk right into the Israeli headquarters and kill all Israeli soldiers, since they would absolutely not shoot back.
Of course you can say that "the other extreme", i.e. just ignoring civilian casaulties enteriely, is out of the question as well, but then WHERE EXACTLY do you draw the line? |
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2014-08-05, 14:36 | Link #34449 | |
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@ VCV : That is what I called an unpleasant reasoning. Quote:
Basically : You get the idea.
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2014-08-05, 15:43 | Link #34451 | ||
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Do not consider the Palestinians as foreigners. Consider them as equal to your own citizens. So in this sense, how would the military respond if the human shields are your own citizens? If the military would have to respond in the same manner, then it's necessary, if not, then the killings' unnecessary. Quote:
So Israel can not officially just say "we don't give a damn at all" because that would be inappropriate, technically speaking. Edit: upon further research, Israel never ratified the additional protocols of Geneva 1977. So the only official military code of conduct regarding this is simply the one they made themsevles: "The soldier shall make use of his weaponry and power only for the fulfillment of the mission and solely to the extent required; he will maintain his humanity even in combat. The soldier shall not employ his weaponry and power in order to harm non-combatants or prisoners of war, and shall do all he can to avoid harming their lives, body, honor and property." In hindsight, maybe the IDF should never leave Gaza. (yes, not a useful comment. ) Last edited by maplehurry; 2014-08-05 at 17:33. |
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2014-08-05, 19:25 | Link #34452 |
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Back in the 90s our model UN group had to go over this conflict at a high school level. We eventually decided to have the Palastinians abandon Gaza and move everyone to the West Bank as a full country with a mile to three wide zone were no one was to live. As the trust between the two countries increased the zone would gradually go to Palastine. I dont't recall what we did about Jeruselum. I'm sure it was a compromise of some sort that both sides didn't quite like, but was acceptable with the ending of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, the annexation of Gaza to Israel, and the ending of the terrorism.
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Will you still stick to your stand then or be a hypocrite?
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2014-08-06, 09:20 | Link #34454 |
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My kids or not, they are still people. One can do their best to reason, but if they are steadfast in their stand, what can you do?
Besides, that one-liner is pretty much appeal to emotion. Try something else. How is that hypocrisy?
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2014-08-06, 09:26 | Link #34455 | |
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If you can do that then I won't say you are a hypocrite. Since this is your philosophy. Can you?
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2014-08-06, 09:33 | Link #34456 | |
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Things change, alliances shift, paradigms turn. Nothing is set in stone.
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2014-08-06, 09:39 | Link #34457 | |
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2014-08-06, 09:45 | Link #34458 | |
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I will blunt this once; if you have a problem with another person's opinion, it is YOUR problem, present your point of view and elaborate on it, because it is your onus to convince them to your side. Don't expect others to fix theirs to suit your emotional needs. Also, this is a discussion so keep it civil. Thank you.
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2014-08-06, 09:59 | Link #34459 |
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The schools run by the UN... I wonder how/what they teach there... For the sake of the peace of Gaza, I really hope they don't just use a standard western curiculum, or even worse, use teachers from Gaza. They need teachers that the children look up to and are taught to make rational judgement that are not controlled by "mad believes" (no matter if religious, cultural, iseali or muslim), but by logic and self-preservation. It is also necessary to push individuality in the schools, because the best way to fight the "soldier" mindset, is to weaken the hive-mind-like mindset.
Also they need better security and make sure to throw trouble makers and people who try to recruit soldiers, no matter from which side, out of there. If it was done like that. But I guess that would be a non-existent utopia. |
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But first, put peacekeepers outside of the schools to deter those ferrying rockets into the shelter.
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