One Piece New World: Dressrosa arc discussion (anime-only)

[Dist]

I stopped watching months ago .. This arc has to be by far one of the most boring ones. The continuous fillers in midst of an episode don't help either. At the rate they're going, how many hundreds of episodes will it take until I can return to the anime and skip this stupid arc completely?

[rajrp]

They r taking so much time on (just 1 warlord ) dofla......
They have still got to face 4 kings......other supernova(bad gen rookie , kid) pirates and finally the Marines and world gov....
And there is still one piece which they should find.....
On this pace they may take another 20years to reach somewr near to ending of anime

[thundrakkon]

OK, I'm actually pretty confused right now with Fujitora. I don't understand his explanation at all. He does not want the World Government to be in control? Yet he wants to arrest the Straw Hats? Yet he wants to allow Doflamingo to roam freely for now? Is he supposed to be this confusing, and we will find out an explanation later? Right now, he is not making sense, and that marine falling out of fear when talking to him didn't make sense neither.

[ookamigirl]

Intro and recap seem to be getting longer & longer..
Everyone chasing Luffy & crew..
Isho snapped at World Government.
Guess the Navy is corrupt as well since they are helping Doflamingo.
Damn, it was hard to move with all those attacks.
Good episode, but it felt short.

[TheWatchman]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

OK, I'm actually pretty confused right now with Fujitora. I don't understand his explanation at all. He does not want the World Government to be in control? Yet he wants to arrest the Straw Hats? Yet he wants to allow Doflamingo to roam freely for now? Is he supposed to be this confusing, and we will find out an explanation later? Right now, he is not making sense, and that marine falling out of fear when talking to him didn't make sense neither.

I also had this problem. Maybe he means he doesn't want Luffy to beat up Doflamingo then the Navy just arrest them like what happened with Crocodile? Doesn't seem to make any sense so I'm stumped really.

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

OK, I'm actually pretty confused right now with Fujitora. I don't understand his explanation at all. He does not want the World Government to be in control? Yet he wants to arrest the Straw Hats? Yet he wants to allow Doflamingo to roam freely for now? Is he supposed to be this confusing, and we will find out an explanation later? Right now, he is not making sense, and that marine falling out of fear when talking to him didn't make sense neither.

Welcome to the club.

[Slayerx]

Ya... fujitora doesn't really make a whole lot of sense and his explaination is lacking. Before he made some sense; while doffy was a villain, dressrosa appeared stable and strawhat and Law were a threat to that stability, so it made sense for him to ignore Doffy and go after Luffy. HOwever after the revalation of the toy slaves and the activation of bird cage, all of that has changed. Doffy is now the greatest threat to the people. If Fujitora really prioritizes protecting the citizens then he should be aiming directly at Doffy; Luffy and Law are the least of these people's problems.

[thundrakkon]

So Fujitora is intentionally confusing, and it's not because I'm missing anything or misinterpreting anything right now, right? Is this one of those incidents that the author, Oda, is forcing illogical thought process on us to make the story work in the direction he wants? Or will there really be an explanation for Fujitora's actions at some point that is reasonably understandable?

[shoyo]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

OK, I'm actually pretty confused right now with Fujitora. I don't understand his explanation at all. He does not want the World Government to be in control? Yet he wants to arrest the Straw Hats? Yet he wants to allow Doflamingo to roam freely for now? Is he supposed to be this confusing, and we will find out an explanation later? Right now, he is not making sense, and that marine falling out of fear when talking to him didn't make sense neither.

Fujitora == Justice

it doesn't really matter who's at fault, unjust people are his enemies.. he's unlike akainu with his ridiculously absolute sense of justce AKA pirates are always evil and marines & wg are always f***ing right! he's thinking like a normal person with opinion and weighing matters at hand like a true ranked officer..

just my 2 cents..

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by shoyo

Fujitora == Justice

it doesn't really matter who's at fault, unjust people are his enemies.. he's unlike akainu with his ridiculously absolute sense of justce AKA pirates are always evil and marines & wg are always f***ing right! he's thinking like a normal person with opinion and weighing matters at hand like a true ranked officer..

just my 2 cents..

Hmm... All the more reason it is confusing why he is not taking action against Doflamingo. Doflamingo is definitely doing things that harm civilians and his own marines. If he has an opinion, he should be able to figure at least that much.

[shoyo]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Hmm... All the more reason it is confusing why he is not taking action against Doflamingo. Doflamingo is definitely doing things that harm civilians and his own marines. If he has an opinion, he should be able to figure at least that much.

let's just say he may have some other reasons that oda hasn't revealed yet.. reasons oda don't want his readers to figure out as of yet.. op isn't any fun if his readers are always right with their theories and speculations..

[Bigivel]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Hmm... All the more reason it is confusing why he is not taking action against Doflamingo. Doflamingo is definitely doing things that harm civilians and his own marines. If he has an opinion, he should be able to figure at least that much.

The reason Fujitora isn't taking action against Doflamingo is misterious, but probably simple!

Do you remember Alabasta and Thriller Bark? In Alabasta the government said that Crocodile was defeated by Smoker instead of Strawhats. In Thriller Bark they didn't even announced that Moria was defeated.
Why did the government went for all the trouble of covering all that information? Ask yourself why, and there is the answer why Fujitora is letting Luffy and is crew do all the work.

[Bigivel]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Ya... fujitora doesn't really make a whole lot of sense and his explaination is lacking. Before he made some sense; while doffy was a villain, dressrosa appeared stable and strawhat and Law were a threat to that stability, so it made sense for him to ignore Doffy and go after Luffy. HOwever after the revalation of the toy slaves and the activation of bird cage, all of that has changed. Doffy is now the greatest threat to the people. If Fujitora really prioritizes protecting the citizens then he should be aiming directly at Doffy; Luffy and Law are the least of these people's problems.

You didn't have been listening what Fujitora priorities are! While he is enigmatic when talking, he already made his case clear. He doesn't care for simple instances of villainy, what he wants is total abolition of the system that let's villains in a situation where they can cause horrible events and unpunished.
Stopping Doflaming means basically nothing when you had Crocodile also trying to conquer a country, Moria stealing shadows of hundred of people, Blackbeard causing a big uproar in Impel Down and more. The important now his showing that the Shichibukai System is a worthless system that doesn't work in any of its facets nor can be controlled by the government.

[bhl88]

I knew Pica would sound like Alpha....

And it seems Fujitora's Haki is much, much stronger (without the black effect)

[ookamigirl]

A new character Pica appears.
That ridicules voice to his hugeness = ROFL
Doflamingo revealed some of his past.
Looks like he was a monster back then too.
Wtf?! Didn't think Pica was able to do that O.O
Luffy bursting into a laugh didn't help the situation..

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Bigivel

The reason Fujitora isn't taking action against Doflamingo is misterious, but probably simple!

Do you remember Alabasta and Thriller Bark? In Alabasta the government said that Crocodile was defeated by Smoker instead of Strawhats. In Thriller Bark they didn't even announced that Moria was defeated.
Why did the government went for all the trouble of covering all that information? Ask yourself why, and there is the answer why Fujitora is letting Luffy and is crew do all the work.

Letting Luffy and his crew do all the work... Which is why he standing in there way right now and thus interfering with their ability to stop Doffy...

If Fugitora wants Luffy to stop Doffy, then he should just STEP ASIDE. Order the marines to focus on keeping the people safe during bird cage and just ignore everything going on between Luffy and Doffy. That would allow him to focus on keeping the civilians safe while at the same time, allowing Doffy to get taken down.

[Bigivel]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Letting Luffy and his crew do all the work... Which is why he standing in there way right now and thus interfering with their ability to stop Doffy...

If Fugitora wants Luffy to stop Doffy, then he should just STEP ASIDE. Order the marines to focus on keeping the people safe during bird cage and just ignore everything going on between Luffy and Doffy. That would allow him to focus on keeping the civilians safe while at the same time, allowing Doffy to get taken down.

Are you seeing him going all out against Luffy? No!
He needs a justification, even if obviously a lie, to say why he didn't do nothing against Doffy. When Akainu or the world government asks "why didn't you went to stop Doffy?" or "What were you doing?"
He can give thousands of excuses why:
- Celestial Dragon
- Shichibukai
- King just controlling a revolt
- ...
While he can't give any excuse why he didn't do nothing to the Strawhats, because he received a direct order from Fleet Admiral. Yep, remember that Akainu ordered him to find if Luffy crew got subordinates of Law, and so keeping his position in the Shichibukai. If the answer was negative then he was to obliterate or capture them(Law + Luffy)!

So simply, Fujitora should normally forget about the Strawhats pirates and go after Doflamingo, but because he doesn't want to go after Doflamingo, he can't just disregard Strawhats, even if he just fakes going after them. This is called knowing how to lie!

Also note that when I'm saying that Fujitora is letting Luffy's crew doing all the work, for him doesn't matter who beats Doflamingo, except if it is the marines and government, because that would say that everything is under control, and that the shichibukai system, though not perfect, is totally functional.

[TheWatchman]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Never before has a character been so terrifying and so hilarious in such a short space of time.

Yeah that thing about Doflamingo's parents was a bit unexpected too but I guess not as surprising as it probably should be.............

[Mister Twit]

Wow, I didn't expect Pica's voice to be that silly. I knew there had to be a reason he never talked but wow.

As for Fujitora, I'm sure he has reasons. First of all, he may seem like a kind, calm old man but don't forget that he's an admiral. He is in company with Kizaru and Akainu. So he may not have the well-being of everyone first and foremost in his judgement.

Second, Luffy's bounty is very high and he has taken down numerous world threats for the navy. So my theory is that there has been some talk about getting Luffy to join the warlords. What's more, if Doflamingo is killed then there will be an opening in the shichibukai. Considering how Fujitora feels about that whole system, maybe in his mind he prioritizes taking Luffy out over Doflamingo and literally turns a blind eye to the town's suffering.

That's just my conjecture though.

[imza]

Fuji's motives are not that mysterious. He basically already told us what they were when he had his short fight with Doffy. He wants to avoid citizens getting hurt and he thinks taking out the Straw Hats will be faster/easier and than he can deal with Doffy himself.