Episode 85 Discussion [Anime]

[LeafNinja]

You see a freaked out version of Shizune's face, and you just see Tsunade from her back (much to every horny otaku's dismay: OMG D00D she has big B00BS!!11). Pretty much exactly how the manga chapter depicted that particular event.

[eLstar]

Originally Posted by bobofet

after watching the raw, I liked this episode very much, because:

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sasuke got the crap beaten out of him by itachi, it was cool. heck, any scene with sasuke getting beat up is 5 stars IMO. LOL at weak sasuke. oh and the scene of itachi owning jiraiya's little jitsu was priceless...better than the manga. now jiraiya knows whos the man. And for some weird reason I really liked kisame's 1 sec cross sword motion to cut the tentacles ^_^. Big sword = win

You my friend, have horrible horrible taste.

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Anyway, this episode is sounding very impressive, but to tell the truth I'm not really looking forward to meet Tsunade.

[Kakashi Sensei]

I think Tsunade will be pretty cool once we see her fight, but until then she's just another character running rampant. My pre-haven't-yet-seen-the-episode implications tell me it should be pretty awesome.

Except for the part where Sasuke gets pummeled... true to fangirl nature, I still won't give up on him.

[ShikaShika]

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Poor Sasuke... :P Anyway good ep, I actually prefer flashbacks to original filler. At least it isn't stupid. Tsunade's voice was perfect imo. Dunno so much about Shitsune. The dynamic entry wasn't sudden enough with Gai running down the corridor first but it was cool anyway.

[polgars]

haven't seen it yet! don't wanna see the RAW! i wanna see the subbed! I'm a Jiraiya fan!!!

[Electrode]

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I predicted to myself before I saw the episode that it would go through chapters 147-148 of the manga and end with Tsunade's entry. OMG - I can't believe I was right, but then again, it did seem to me to be a very apt place to end the episode...

I also wanted to see what Jiraiya's stomach looked like in colour. I can definitely say it does look a bit sicker in the anime, but the pukey kinda colour of it has a lot to do with it, I suppose.

I wonder what the inside of my stomach would look like? Probably not too appealing...

[ShikaShika]

Originally Posted by Electrode

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I predicted to myself before I saw the episode that it would go through chapters 147-148 of the manga and end with Tsunade's entry. OMG - I can't believe I was right, but then again, it did seem to me to be a very apt place to end the episode...

I also wanted to see what Jiraiya's stomach looked like in colour. I can definitely say it does look a bit sicker in the anime, but the pukey kinda colour of it has a lot to do with it, I suppose.

I wonder what the inside of my stomach would look like? Probably not too appealing...

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I think most people who have read the manga predicted that it would cover both chapters. Just like most people predicted last chapter would be 145-146. If you read the chapters you can tell that both 146 and 148 ends on a very dramatic note and that it would play out well in the anime to end there. Plus the fact that there's a limit to how much filler you can add when there's lots of action (like in these two eps). Unfortunatly I predict filler in the next ep.

[BonBon]

Hmm...pretty good ep, though wish I had editting software to get rid of those flashbacks! I mean - it was last episode, dammit! And as if that wasn't enough, they started having flashbacks of earlier in the SAME EPISODE! Heheh. Sure, it's a quintessential part of Naruto, but that doesn't mean it's not silly!

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This episode seemed nicely long and eventful. Jiraiya only did his stomach jutsu, which in the event isn't particularly effective, which was a shame when I was hoping he'd really put Itachi and Kisame in their place...and he must be getting rusty to be hit by such an obvious attack by Gai...but still, now Naruto can start to believe the Ero-sennin really IS a force to be reckoned with,

What I found funny, though, was how long Kisame and that frog were just standing there, not moving! Well, they've got to be standing SOMEWHERE while people are talking and talking!

Originally Posted by Akamaru

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I think most people who have read the manga predicted that it would cover both chapters. Just like most people predicted last chapter would be 145-146. If you read the chapters you can tell that both 146 and 148 ends on a very dramatic note and that it would play out well in the anime to end there. Plus the fact that there's a limit to how much filler you can add when there's lots of action (like in these two eps). Unfortunatly I predict filler in the next ep.

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I actually think that the upcoming filler will be good stuff. The bulls excepted, the anime guys tend to do well when adding funny filler. However, as to what you said about there being a limit to how much filler you can add with lots of action - I wish the filler they put in was MORE action. Make Jiraiya's jutsu more impressive, for example, or have even more of Itachi reducing Sasuke to a small puddle of gloop

-Bon Bon

[ShikaShika]

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I know my taste differs from most people's probably but from my experiance with Naruto, any filler is bad. I might give you Temari vs Tenten but other than that I think it's all been pretty useless and a waste of time. I do of course see the reason for filler, and nobody wants the anime to catch up with the manga. That's why I wish the episodes were half as long or not released as often but you can't really do that either can you. I lose either way. :P

[Lazy Shikamaru]

After seeing the episode, there is no way you could get that horrifying emotion of Sasuke getting his ass beaten in the manga. It was sad to say the least, poor sasuke. When I saw this in the manga, I wasn't in the least worried about him. There was no screams of agony in the manga for one, but also there was no sound effects or the sad music to go with it. This is by far one of the good examples as to why the anime is better at telling the story than the manga.

[Lost World]

Originally Posted by Akamaru

[spoiler]I know my taste differs from most people's probably but from my experiance with Naruto, any filler is bad. I might give you Temari vs Tenten but other than that I think it's all been pretty useless and a waste of time. I do of course see the reason for filler, and nobody wants the anime to catch up with the manga. That's why I wish the episodes were half as long or not released as often but you can't really do that either can you. I lose either way. :P

Some of my favorite parts of this anime are filler. To date, the best opening has been episode 71's with Sasuke swinging through the forest and avoiding Temari's traps just before the Hokage fight really began. It was brilliantly animated.

Then next episode we got Temari vs. Sasuke. Another awesome filler.

Oh, and wasn't some of the fight in the Forest of Death filler? That hole arc was great.

Well, basically all the Sasuke filler is good. I could do without the rest.

[LeafNinja]

I would agree with you on this episode, hearing Sasuke's screams of agony were brutal.

[ShikaShika]

Originally Posted by Sasuke Uchiha

Some of my favorite parts of this anime are filler. To date, the best opening has been episode 71's with Sasuke swinging through the forest and avoiding Temari's traps just before the Hokage fight really began. It was brilliantly animated.

Then next episode we got Temari vs. Sasuke. Another awesome filler.

Oh, and wasn't some of the fight in the Forest of Death filler? That hole arc was great.

Well, basically all the Sasuke filler is good. I could do without the rest.

That filler fight was crap if you ask me, for no reason other than to drag out the story. I've seen one too many kawarimi to think it's cool anymore.

Originally Posted by Lazy Shikamaru

After seeing the episode, there is no way you could get that horrifying emotion of Sasuke getting his ass beaten in the manga. It was sad to say the least, poor sasuke. When I saw this in the manga, I wasn't in the least worried about him.

Then speak for yourself, it got to me in the manga just as much as it did in the anime.

Originally Posted by Lazy Shikamaru

There was no screams of agony in the manga for one, but also there was no sound effects or the sad music to go with it. This is by far one of the good examples as to why the anime is better at telling the story than the manga.

Unless I'm mistaking (and I doubt it) there were of course screams of agony in the manga. Though of course you had to read them instead of hearing them. The music really didn't add much. Maybe if they had used some new original music, which I think would have been completely justified because

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the events of that scene has a tremendous effect on Sasuke's character in the future.

To say that the anime is better than the manga is to me an insult to the author. At least in the case of Naruto.

[Kabuto Maniac]

Originally Posted by LeafNinja

I would agree with you on this episode, hearing Sasuke's screams of agony were brutal.

they were like sweet mint on a saturday-night

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Originally Posted by Akamaru

To say that the anime is better than the manga is to me an insult to the author. At least in the case of Naruto.

whenever somebody says that something "is" better or worse or whatever, they mean to say they find it better. nobody can truly determine what is better: it's just taste. if much people agree on if it's better or not, you can kind of say it is or isn't, but if they don't, you can't. If he sais it is, he thinks it is, and if he thinks it is, let him. he has the right to. and it would just be annoying to constantly repeat "I think that" instead of "it is", because (to me) it feels so weird to say. I just prefer saying "it is better" meaning that I think it is.

for all the dyslexic whiners out there: if you didn't understand the post, just read it through thoroughfully again and you will, sooner or later. it does make sense.

[Kabuto Maniac]

oops srry double-post

[Lazy Shikamaru]

Originally Posted by Akamaru

To say that the anime is better than the manga is to me an insult to the author. At least in the case of Naruto.

It shouldn't insult you in the least, because when the author draws his manga, he has the scenes planned out in his head, and the reason why he draws the symbols in the manga for the sound effects or screams is because he can imagine how it would be like. "reading" a scream has never been too affecting to me, this comes from someone who has immense respect for text games like final fantasy 6 and other mangas. You can't convince anyone that a scream in a manga is more convincing than a real scream. That's what seperates the boundaries of imagination and having the actual scene played out for you in full color. You can't tell me you scrounged up a tear when Haku died. But I can tell you that almost everyone that has seen the anime episodes of haku dying has done so.

Edit: In case anyone wants to argue with me, here's my argument - "The anime has more emotion than the manga".

[Hunter]

Very good episode indeed, the only annoying thing was the 1min filler at the end.

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The 'stomack' summon of Jiraiya looked great, so did the Amaterasu
Itachi beating the hell out of Sasuke was as good as in the manga too, the Tsukiyomi was a little too long though.

Jiraiya's tone when he scolds Naruto not to touch the flame of the Amaterasu and when he said him to shut up and that he's weak was great yoo

Oh and Itachi's evil smirk was really surprising, that seems so out of the character...

And yeah I was surprised too by the deep and rough voice of Shizune.

Btw Akamaru, I just take a look at your sig, and Sannin means three ninjas not three people, the kanji nin is here the chinese reading onyomi of shinobi, it's the same nin used in ninja.

That's the same for the Ninja ranks :
Jounin = jou (onyomi of ue which means above) + nin
Chuunin = chuu (onyomi of naka which means middle) + nin
Genin = ge (onyomi of shita which means under) + nin

[Lazy Shikamaru]

Originally Posted by Hunter

Very good episode indeed, the only annoying thing was the 1min filler at the end.

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The 'stomack' summon of Jiraiya looked great, so did the Amaterasu
Itachi beating the hell out of Sasuke was as good as in the manga too, the Tsukiyomi was a little too long though.

Jiraiya's tone when he scolds Naruto not to touch the flame of the Amaterasu and when he said him to shut up and that he's weak was great yoo

Oh and Itachi's evil smirk was really surprising, that seems so out of the character...

And yeah I was surprised too by the deep and rough voice of Shizune.

Btw Akamaru, I just take a look at your sig, and Sannin means three ninjas not three people, the kanji nin is here the chinese reading onyomi of shinobi, it's the same nin used in ninja.

That's the same for the Ninja ranks :
Jounin = jou (onyomi of ue which means above) + nin
Chuunin = chuu (onyomi of naka which means middle) + nin
Genin = ge (onyomi of shita which means under) + nin

I think people often mistake Sannin for a full translation of "Three Legendary Ninjas", when in fact it just means three ninjas. San = 3, Nin = ninja, but yeah good post.

[Ero-Sennin]

Nooo!! Where did Tsunade's adorable voice go!?!?! Maybe I'll get used to her childish voice

[Dragon Flame]

i always pictured her as having a... more.. womanly voice.. but oh well...