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Old 2009-11-14, 12:17   Link #18921
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People, that's not how sex goes. Except in really bad porn.

If Nanoha and Fate did ever go at it, it'd look more like a National Geographic documentary on the eating habits of lions than 'gentle lovemaking on a bed of roses'. Which'd be really scratchy anyway.
Depends on what you're going for. I've had Nanoha and Fate make love on rose petals before, and then complain that the sweat and petals stained their sheets and the petals dried out and got all crumbly and crunchy in their bed/pillow cases and had to wash their sheets every day for a while while vacuuming their mattress to get them all out.

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Which is why doing sex scenes... bore me, since I'm a stickler for realism. But Sata-nyan does write porn... Sometimes. With khrack. And waffles. That she eats thereafter.
I just had pancakes this morning actually

O<("<) I had a pancake.
(>")>O But then I was like...
(>'O'<) Let's sprinkle khrack on it!
(>'-'<) And I ate it.

EDIT: Pageclaim for thinking your post was a little TOO NSFW lol

PM me if you want to read the "realistic sex scene NanoFate edition"
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Old 2009-11-14, 12:45   Link #18922
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Just read it myself, it's really funny.
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Old 2009-11-14, 14:07   Link #18923
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Okay, based on how the last several pages of this thread has gone, you have forced me into the following. A shortfic with explosions and WAFF, done in a (hopefully) unique method, with some plot ideas borrowed from a couple other fics here.

Oh, and I fully blame everyone else here for this.

Last note: I should probably tag this a bit NSFW, though I don't know if it crosses the line for this forum. I trust a mod will whack me if it does.^^;;

Spoiler for The Power of Love!:
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Old 2009-11-14, 14:21   Link #18924
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Okay, based on how the last several pages of this thread has gone, you have forced me into the following. A shortfic with explosions and WAFF, done in a (hopefully) unique method, with some plot ideas borrowed from a couple other fics here.

Oh, and I fully blame everyone else here for this.

Last note: I should probably tag this a bit NSFW, though I don't know if it crosses the line for this forum. I trust a mod will whack me if it does.^^;;

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I can somewhat relate to Gornnolf. Sometimes I think the fics around here are far too over-sexed for my tastes. There's more to a relationship than just sex...

.........Right?

Anyways, amusing little fic
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Sometimes I think the fics around here are far too over-sexed for my tastes. There's more to a relationship than just sex...

.........Right?
You wound me, Onii-chan. You wound me deeply.

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Old 2009-11-14, 14:48   Link #18926
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You wound me, Onii-chan. You wound me deeply.

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Just stating my honest opinion. Like, to use Day in the Life as an example, it seems that every scene that involves Nove/Ginga/Wendi, they're having sex or are groping each other, or something similar. Isn't there anything more to that relationship? There's also stuff like in that one omake chapter when the kids cross into the canon timeline. When Vivio and Lutecia go to pick them up they start making out on the spot. I mean, you're infront of alternate reality versions of yourself and people you know. Was that really an appropriate time and place for that?

But don't mind me. Like I said before, I'm old fashioned. How old fashioned am I? I believe in saving sex until marriage. I am that old fashioned.
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Old 2009-11-14, 14:58   Link #18927
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Just stating my honest opinion. Like, to use Day in the Life as an example, it seems that every scene that involves Nove/Ginga/Wendi, they're having sex or are groping each other, or something similar. Isn't there anything more to that relationship? There's also stuff like in that one omake chapter when the kids cross into the canon timeline. When Vivio and Lutecia go to pick them up they start making out on the spot. I mean, you're infront of alternate reality versions of yourself and people you know. Was that really an appropriate time and place for that?

But don't mind me. Like I said before, I'm old fashioned. How old fashioned am I? I believe in saving sex until marriage. I am that old fashioned.
While I do share the same sentiments as you...but wow...you really ARE old fashioned if you believe in that XD
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Just stating my honest opinion. Like, to use Day in the Life as an example, it seems that every scene that involves Nove/Ginga/Wendi, they're having sex or are groping each other, or something similar. Isn't there anything more to that relationship? There's also stuff like in that one omake chapter when the kids cross into the canon timeline. When Vivio and Lutecia go to pick them up they start making out on the spot. I mean, you're infront of alternate reality versions of yourself and people you know. Was that really an appropriate time and place for that?

But don't mind me. Like I said before, I'm old fashioned. How old fashioned am I? I believe in saving sex until marriage. I am that old fashioned.
Er...

I was just joking, Raiser.
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While I do share the same sentiments as you...but wow...you really ARE old fashioned if you believe in that XD
I told you! I learned in class the other day that by age 19, only 20% of people are virgins. Twenty percent! Well, I guess that means I'm special!

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Er...

I was just joking, Raiser.
I know I was just further explaining my stance on things.
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I told you! I learned in class the other day that by age 19, only 20% of people are virgins. Twenty percent! Well, I guess that means I'm special!
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I suppose I'm also in that 20% range, though I'm only 18. Going to be 19 soon, but.... yeah. *cough*

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I know...

I guess that was part of the reason why I added the whole "age of consent" thing to my ViCia/Shadow series when I first started it off. It made sense for there to be one in the first place, but it gave me the chance to really develop Lutecia and Vivio as a couple and show that it wasn't just a sexual thing for either of them; I mean, seriously, by now Lutecia's twenty-one. She's been dating Vivio since the girl was fifteen, and she's still patient and waiting, and Vivio never pushes her for anything before she's legal. It doesn't come up much in the series, but it says a lot, I think.
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Old 2009-11-14, 16:13   Link #18931
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People, that's not how sex goes. Except in really bad porn.

If Nanoha and Fate did ever go at it, it'd look more like a National Geographic documentary on the eating habits of lions than 'gentle lovemaking on a bed of roses'. Which'd be really scratchy anyway.
People these days take things too seriously.

It. Was. A. Joke.
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Old 2009-11-14, 16:20   Link #18932
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The way people have been responding to snarky comments tells me something important here...

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Just stating my honest opinion. Like, to use Day in the Life as an example, it seems that every scene that involves Nove/Ginga/Wendi, they're having sex or are groping each other, or something similar. Isn't there anything more to that relationship? There's also stuff like in that one omake chapter when the kids cross into the canon timeline. When Vivio and Lutecia go to pick them up they start making out on the spot. I mean, you're infront of alternate reality versions of yourself and people you know. Was that really an appropriate time and place for that?

But don't mind me. Like I said before, I'm old fashioned. How old fashioned am I? I believe in saving sex until marriage. I am that old fashioned.
If it makes you feel any better, I was raised to think that way, too due to religious beliefs. I no longer follow the religion, and have since had sex, but I still hold that "person has to be really special to go there" attitude. Science backs up the notion that a hot and heavy relationship from the get-go usually fails, because eventually, one grows tired of the sex with the same person, and there's no other foundation remaining.

As such, any WAFF I end up writing takes time to build. Kisses, hugs, and other feelings will come in time, but only once the foundation is laid. For those following my Crisis fic, I've already dropped hints about romantic relationships. These will be explored a bit more in detail in future chapters. I've also got a sequel to it planned, where the relationships will be developed further, and new ones may form.

Also, a number of the WAFF fics here are written purely for fun and giggles, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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If it makes you feel any better, I was raised to think that way, too due to religious beliefs. I no longer follow the religion, and have since had sex, but I still hold that "person has to be really special to go there" attitude. Science backs up the notion that a hot and heavy relationship from the get-go usually fails, because eventually, one grows tired of the sex with the same person, and there's no other foundation remaining.

As such, any WAFF I end up writing takes time to build. Kisses, hugs, and other feelings will come in time, but only once the foundation is laid. For those following my Crisis fic, I've already dropped hints about romantic relationships. These will be explored a bit more in detail in future chapters. I've also got a sequel to it planned, where the relationships will be developed further, and new ones may form.

*Waits patiently for it*
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Old 2009-11-14, 16:24   Link #18935
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I believe that marriage is nothing more than a sheet of paper for documentation sake and a tax write off. Seriously, if you love someone, why do you need to go through a government issued form to state it to the world? In my eyes, there is no difference in "marriage" and "dating". If you're serious about it, you should be 100% committed no matter what. I also don't believe in "well dating is just seeing how you like a person and marriage is for ever and ever amen." Why? One word: Divorce. Marriage is so bad it comes paired with papers stating that "when you break up, your properties will be split like this:" I don't need that crap to show someone I love them D:

Relating to fanfiction: Marriage does serve a purpose in fics, though. You can use it to state strong feelings between characters and build up. Like in my 6th D storyline, Fate proposes in one story and they are engaged. In the next book, they decide to push the wedding date closer after they almost lose each other. In the third book they finally get married. Its a plot device that isn't up and forward, but plays an important part when emphasizing how much they mean to each other.

Plus, I want to see Nanoha smearing cake in Fate's face.

Age of consent: mostly BS if you ask me. Where I grew up about 90% of people lost their virginity before they were 16. Yes there was an actual survey in my school that said that as well (and trust me, my school was small enough to know who slept with who). In my eyes, if you can do it and not be all "how does this work again?" then you should be able to show the other person how you feel. As long as you're prepared for what comes after sex that is (which is why I think no one should do it unless they're out of school with jobs and at least 23 LOL). But that falls into personal feelings, beliefs, morals, and stuff that this board doesn't need to touch with a 10 foot pole

Relating to fanfiction: I'll use ViCia here. Lutecia is 21, over the legal age. Vivio is still a minor and although Lutecia wouldn't be a "pedo" if she did smex her, it could still be bad and legal actions could take place if vivio's parents decided to. So in this situation, I think it really says something for Lutecia. She's polity dating a younger person, respecting her in every way, and making sure Vivio knows what she wants before giving into her own desires. That really gives Lutecia a depth that you really wouldn't miss until you realized it wasn't there. It can also have more bonding power between Vi's parents and Cia as well. Humor aside, imagine Nanoha being comfortable enough with Lutecia to leave them alone at their house unsupervised. Nanoha loves her daughter, respects her, and respects Lutecia's feelings for her daughter. During all this, she believes in the two and trusts that they will wait until they are ready to do what they will eventually do. And when they do have sex (and you know Nanoha will find out about it XD) then Nanoha will be happy for them isntead of SBing Lutecia in her sleep.

Also, imagine Vivio inviting Lutecia over for Thanksgiving dinner :3

Character development and plot that's important and can really enhance your stories when done right, that's how I feel about sex in stories. Now that's only longer stories that have time to develop them. In shorter ones, sex can be for humor (bunny couple!) or an emotional point. I don't think they should be doing it in inappropriate places (unless for comedy), or doing it needlessly all the time. There's more to a relationship than sex, but at the same time its the act of showing that relationship to their partner.

For example, I have Nanoha normally stating that she isn't good with words so she gets physical to get her feelings across. To her, the words "I love you" are reserved for moments where they are needed to be said. In other situations, I have her hold her lover's hand, kiss their cheek or lips, and generally show her feelings through actions.

It needs to be kept in check, though, and I disapprove of making out at wrong times

(BTW the above wall-o-text wasn't aimed at anyone, I just ended up writing about my thoughts on the recent subjects because I simply wanted to :3 )
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*Waits patiently for it*
Heh, I know those that like that kind of stuff are waiting, and I'd actually like to write more. Just haven't had the opportunity to explore more. I do have a chapter coming up (might be chapter 15 or 16) called "Birthday" which should have some decent and touching WAFF moments.

Relationships are a part of life, too, after all. Even though Seven Arcs hasn't decided to play with it much, fics that I write I try to incorporate multiple aspects of life.
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Relating to fanfiction: I'll use ViCia here. Lutecia is 21, over the legal age. Vivio is still a minor and although Lutecia wouldn't be a "pedo" if she did smex her, it could still be bad and legal actions could take place if vivio's parents decided to. So in this situation, I think it really says something for Lutecia. She's polity dating a younger person, respecting her in every way, and making sure Vivio knows what she wants before giving into her own desires. That really gives Lutecia a depth that you really wouldn't miss until you realized it wasn't there. It can also have more bonding power between Vi's parents and Cia as well. Humor aside, imagine Nanoha being comfortable enough with Lutecia to leave them alone at their house unsupervised. Nanoha loves her daughter, respects her, and respects Lutecia's feelings for her daughter. During all this, she believes in the two and trusts that they will wait until they are ready to do what they will eventually do. And when they do have sex (and you know Nanoha will find out about it XD) then Nanoha will be happy for them isntead of SBing Lutecia in her sleep.

Also, imagine Vivio inviting Lutecia over for Thanksgiving dinner :3
This paragraph made me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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Go, Satashi, go! :3

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Plus, I want to see Nanoha smearing cake in Fate's face.
lol

I so want to read that! XD
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The way people have been responding to snarky comments tells me something important here...

You noticed that too, huh?

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Just stating my honest opinion. Like, to use Day in the Life as an example, it seems that every scene that involves Nove/Ginga/Wendi, they're having sex or are groping each other, or something similar. Isn't there anything more to that relationship? There's also stuff like in that one omake chapter when the kids cross into the canon timeline. When Vivio and Lutecia go to pick them up they start making out on the spot. I mean, you're infront of alternate reality versions of yourself and people you know. Was that really an appropriate time and place for that?
I find it interesting that you should mention that, because in the most recent chapter that was part of what Wendi and Yuuno were talking about, the possibility that the relationship was just sex and little more. So that sounds like it's actually part of the character development that Nanya and RB are going for.

But you also tell a good point--too often in fics, a fit of horniness replaces any logical relationship-building, particularly when comic moments intrude, and it's not until you're off the computer getting a fresh can of soda when the Fridge Logic moment hits and you realize that hey, if anyone did that in real life it would probably cause a big fight in the relationship and, if in public, a lot of realllllllly weird looks.

Though you've got to consider the source material as well...so much anime includes so much idiotic fanservice. Like that one StrikerS episode where Subaru wakes Tea up with the breast groping thing...10, I think it was?...if that was in real life she'd be picking Cross Mirage out of her teeth or up on sexual harassment charges or both.

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Plus, I want to see Nanoha smearing cake in Fate's face.
Most. Annoying. Wedding. Custom. Ever. So, so, so glad that my wife agreed with me on that point.

On the subject of age-of-consent laws, I'm simply going to say that they exist because society as a whole is not capable of taking the time to psychologically analyze everybody and say "Person X is mature enough to engage in a sexual relationship, but Person Y is not." So we slap down an artificial age (with exceptions, of course; for example, most states where the age of consent is 18 will say, for example, that it's not an offense for someone under 18 to engage in sexual activity with someone within two years) where we assume they're not mature enough to make that decision and someone older than that age is using their (assumed) maturity to manipulate the younger one. And while there are also plenty of people over the age of consent who don't have the maturity for sex, either, well, society considers that they're old enough to learn. They're a social shorthand, that's all.

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Relating to fanfiction: I'll use ViCia here. Lutecia is 21, over the legal age. Vivio is still a minor and although Lutecia wouldn't be a "pedo" if she did smex her, it could still be bad and legal actions could take place if vivio's parents decided to.
Especially when you go on to consider Lutecia's maturity and worldly awareness compared to Vivio's innocence.

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So in this situation, I think it really says something for Lutecia. She's polity dating a younger person, respecting her in every way, and making sure Vivio knows what she wants before giving into her own desires. That really gives Lutecia a depth that you really wouldn't miss until you realized it wasn't there. It can also have more bonding power between Vi's parents and Cia as well. Humor aside, imagine Nanoha being comfortable enough with Lutecia to leave them alone at their house unsupervised. Nanoha loves her daughter, respects her, and respects Lutecia's feelings for her daughter. During all this, she believes in the two and trusts that they will wait until they are ready to do what they will eventually do. And when they do have sex (and you know Nanoha will find out about it XD) then Nanoha will be happy for them isntead of SBing Lutecia in her sleep.
You know, I'm glad that someone noticed--particularly the last line. Most good parents are happy when their children find a loving, lasting relationship. Nanoha being ragingly overprotective makes for good boringly predictable comedy, but you'll notice that in ViVid she never actually acts that way. A good parent tries to keep her teenaged child from making bad decisions when she can see the consequences more clearly than the child; she doesn't act towards her adult child like the child is still ten.
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Especially when you go on to consider Lutecia's maturity and worldly awareness compared to Vivio's innocence.
Not to mention that in my Shadow universe, Lutecia has seen some damn ugly things related to sex. She hasn't done them herself, granted, but she's been on enough missions to know the basic mindset of tripping up a target with some flirting and seduction; and she's certainly met her fair share of Shadows who do use sex as a honey trap. So for her, preserving Vivio's first time is incredibly important because she knows all the ways that it could go wrong or mean nothing.
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