Ore no Imouto - Light Novel & Manga Discussion Thread

[Densetsuhakai]

Originally Posted by Wilshere

You can interpret it the way you want,but I think you have something to do with moral issues which makes you not accept the ending although its CLEAR now,we have enough evidence throughout the Volumes to support it and there is no going back. Moral issues are hindering you from accepting the ending.

Lol Sorry but that's bullshit.It's no way that it is clear now.It would be clear if we had a definite ending, but this isn't the case.What we got is a open end.And so long as only one evidence is out there that is against the theory that Kyousuke and Kirino will be together forever, it is his right to interpret the story the way he does see it.Don't understand me wrong.I think ,too, that they will be together as lovers forever,but we don't have definite evidence either (because of the open end).

[Wilshere]

Originally Posted by tommythecat

Evidence is subject to interpretation, besides what ending is clear? That they love each other? I've not disagreed with that for a while once the quick translations came out. Where they go after the epilogue will never be clear but everyone will point to evidence that supports their thoughts about where it ultimately leads.

Author planned this ''hidden incest story plot'' from Volume 1,and he also said he wanted to give Kirino her 'happy ending',what makes her happy??? To be with her brother forever and this whole story started by 'life counseling' and its a secret between them. I think debating about this issue is useless,knowing what the final Volume has to say from evidence. I rest this case closed.

Edit: I dont think we need scenes just like YnS to confirm it,this novel isnt for adults,he admitted it was tricky so this ending he gave us was his best so he can face no problems from the law. Everyone can interpret it as he wishes but I cant see it in any other way.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by tommythecat

I simple asked whether the ceremony was a secret to everyone but Kirino and Kyousuke, instead you choose to berate me because you don't like what I have to say.

No, because I guessed by the context of the conversation where this was going, and I was dreading it since it's a reprise of what has been going on for days with you all over the Internet. But here you go anyway...

The marriage ceremony was only the two of them.

[seangel92]

Originally Posted by Densetsuhakai

Lol Sorry but that's bullshit.It's no way that it is clear now.It would be clear if we had a definite ending, but this isn't the case.What we got is a open end.And so long as only one evidence is out there that is against the theory that Kyousuke and Kirino will be together forever, it is his right to interpret the story the way he does see it.Don't understand me wrong.I think ,too, that they will be together as lovers forever,but we don't have definite evidence either (because of the open end).

The autor said that Oreimo is like a galge and Kirino is the winner and she has the best happy ending that he could give to her. Kirino wants to stay in love with Kyosuke forever but she dither with the break up (Ruin his study, finding work, sociaty against them). For me is clear, if the autor had wanted a "normal siblings", he wouldn't have put a second kiss and the "follow me".

[Kakurin]

Part 3 Final Chapter

Spoiler for Part 3 Final Chapter:

- After this conversation had gone on for a while, the guy next of us slowly buttered in.
- "I think that's really great."
- It was Mikagami. Going by his words, it seems that he had noticed our conversation.
- By the way, concerning mine and Kirino's relationship, this guy also knows about it.
- "Mah, I guessed you would say so."
- Because that guy really likes [forbidden love stories] between siblings, or something like that.
- "Even though I already mentioned in the past, that if siblings want to marry they will face many obstacles ----- but having said it like that, I also have already married a 2D girl."
- "What for things are you saying with a honest face! That is not a problem like that, okay!"
- "It is the same. Such a thing like marriage, is something just the two sides have to decide, it's not something the law decides. Although according to the law of this country the bond between me and Rinko-rin won't receive recognition. But, who cares?"
- Mikagami-san's so cool~
- But don't mix up the heroine of an eroge with my imouto.
- "To tell you the truth, as long as you possess love, money, health, isn't this a life without pressure? Although the time before all this is accumulated is very hard, but to you who already possess all this, what is there to fear of?"
- "I'm not as good as you say I am. Moreover there are still all kinds of different important things."
- "Something like reputation?"
- "That indeed is quite important."
- "Let's talk about something that can provide courage."
- Mikagami raised one finger, and said with a serious face,
- "In a certain place, there is a young, fashionable model, who's also a cool desginer."
- You are obviously talking about yourself! Don't call yourself cool!
- "He is very cool and is popular among the girls."
- I am about to kill.
- "But, he has a secret that no one can know about."
- "That in truth he is an otaku, right?"
- "Right ----- in order to protect his image, he had to hide the fact, that he loved eroge and was an otaku."
- I've heard this kind of thing somewhere long ago.
- "But one day, something unfortunate happened to him."
- Hoho.
- "At the Meruru live festival during New Year, the me who used all his relationships ---- no, the him, had created a very good relationship with the cute girl who cosplayed as Alpha Omega."
- Although there were many spots at which I would have liked to mock him, I resisted.
- "On the way back from the festival, he used a car to bring her, who had fallen asleep, back home ---- at that time, he was photographed by reporters. The next week this princess carry picture was published in the weekly magazines and caused a huge uproar."
- "That's not something to joke about!"
- "His twitter account was flooded by those abusive fans who have no heart or soul. He was tagged with something as extreme as disgusting lolicon bastard, his image as an herbivore man was also crushed, even though he had done nothing to have a guilty conscience for.
- If you have done something for which you should have a guilty conscience, I will definitely kill you.
- "He was very troubled. If that continued, not only him, but also the very young her, would have suffered gravely. He was also given a harsh lesson by the loli girl cosplaying as Meruru, who apparently was covering for her."
- This scene can actually be imagined quite easily.
- "Then... what happened next?"
- "Then he made up his mind, and organized an explanation conference on Nico. There he loudly declared something like [I am definitely not some kind of disgusting lolicon bastard, but rather have already married a 2D girl.], or [I only like 2D lolis, 3D lolis are not within the range of my choices.]."
- "........................"
- ........ what. This guy could become the protagonist of some story just like that.
- "As a result, you can say that his reputation is already much different from before, or even that it is thoroughly ruined------ but that is not a matter of life and death, he still happily passes every day and continues to live with fortitude."
- "................................... I see."
- "Do you feel encouraged?"
- "O, oh."
- These were the words of encouragement the pioneer gave me, who stormed right through the minefield I'm also facing.
- This definitely has to be accepted.
- Then
- "Ha ~ ha ~ ha!"
- The room was filled by a forthright laughter.
- "Really a bunch of guys who are pleasant until the very last moment! Too interesting, you guys!"
- "President" *N
- The sights of everybody were set on the president.
- Needless to mention, that's the leader of the club, president Miura Gennosuke.
- It is unknown how many years he stayed, but it was finally time to congratulate him on deciding to graduate.
- Furthermore, the university he will be attending is a very famous one, really scary.
- "Finally graduating ----- congratulations."
- "Hahaha, when I'm no longer here, please don't feel sad and cry Makabe."
- "How could I. I'm feeling quite good. That way, I no longer have to make some shitty game."
- Although he made some icy mocking comment, nobody understood, what he truly felt in his heart.
- "You really dare to say that. ---- please, new president."
- "Yes. After all this time, thanks for your hard work."
- At this moment of the passing of the title of president of the Game Research Club. Even though I only stayed with them for one year, I was still very happy that I was present."
- "Hahahaha! I've waited a long time! Ku ~~~ How moe a scene is this! If this is not burned into the mind right now!"
- .... once again starting to have some filthy imaginations, seeing this scene of men parting.
- "Listen!"
- The president rose, and opened his fan while saying with a loud voice.
- "I want to create the world's leading game company, make great games, games that will enable people to fully immerse into them! That's why I chose to go to college, in order to gain even more power! Find even more comrades! Even though it looks like there are no more things that can inspire me ---- but, I will not give up! In order to realize that dream, I will do what I can! In order to prevent any regrets, I will straighten my body and do my best! And these things -----"
- The president looked at us, looked at Makabe-kun, looked at Sena, looked at every club member -----
- Then pointed at Gokou Ruri's seat and said.
- "Were all taught to me by you guys!"
- All club members, remembered the same scenes.
- The time of the member's recruiting, the lively welcoming party, the first competition, the earliest game creations .... twice participating in the Comiket ---- these, were all times spent with this club.
- These are the common memories of everyone.
- "Even though the current me does not possess enough strength, but in time, I will come and help you. ---- because if I let you be and don't care, the world will suffer from all kinds of shitty games."
- "Hehe ~ if the pay is good, then I'll come to you president and participate in the interviews ~"
- "Kahaha, you are really a bunch of unrelenting kouhais! ---- don't forget, ever since creation has the Game Research spirit been inherited! This rule of never disrespecting the president and never ignoring shitty games!" (?)
- "Does this kind of thing exist" "I don't know about that" ---- the kouhai couple fired back calmly.
- "Bye! Have to maintain your spirit!" *N
- "Yes" *N
- This was the parting message and parting answer, in the unique spirit of our Game Research Club.

- After the graduation ceremony and the last homeroom, I left the classroom I will never return to and went to the hallway. The sounds of "Farewell" "See you" were still resonating in my ear.
- Just like the spring holidays in the past, there were some people who made agreements with others to go out together.
- "Kousaka, are you coming?"
- Even if I received an invitation, I would reject it with a "I'm sorry".
- Then, after saying goodbye to those familiar guys, I could directly go home ----- as if.
- Today, at this time, there was still an important matter, that was waiting for me.
- To me, it was even more important than the graduation ceremony, an incident that will become a milestone of my life.
- I wanted to print the image of the school building and the schoolyard into my eyes, as I slowly walked away.
- The song '仰げば尊し' that was sung at the ceremony still sounded in my ear.

- Now was the time of farewell

- "----- goodbye"
- I balled a hand into a fist and passed through the school gate without looking back.
- Right then.
- " ------ who are you talking to."
- Right next to me, a teasing voice appeared.
- "! do, don't scare people .... You really had me here."
- The one with the voice was just the school uniform wearing Kirino. In her hands she held the envelope containing the certificate.
- As if she was completely ignoring my protests, she continued.
- "Are you perhaps ~ bidding farewell to your school?"
- "So what"
- Being pointed out like that by you is really embarrassing! Damn, finally resting in a sad mood, it was completely ruined by you.
- "By the way, why are you here? The meeting point we agreed upon wasn't here."
- "Look at your words. Because our graduation ceremony finished early, I came to get you. Come on and thank me."
- Kirino folded her arms before her chest in an incredible fashion. Then she began to stare at my clothes.
- "? What"
- "Huh ~ I want to continue looking."
- "Looking at what?"
- "....................."
- Kirino didn't answer, then suddenly reached out her hand to my belly ----
- Screetch!
- "So the second button, get!"
- Ah! Don't say this is the second button, all the buttons on this school uniform have been torn down!
- Kirino held the trophy proudly in one hand, then reached for my neck.
- "Hehe ~ Tentatively I also take this tie."
- "Don't! The neck will hurt! I just give you my tie, okay, wait a second!"
- Are you a bandit?
- "I feel like I will get picked blank.... honestly----- here."
- "Mhm"
- She really puts up an incredible expression.
- "This is the last time I wear this school uniform anyway, if you want it, I'll give you the entire thing. Besides, lately this has been in your room anyway."
- "..... the entire thing.... that's also not bad. ----- good, if you say so, then I'll take it."
- "I'll give it to you when we are back at home."
- "Of course! Or are you stripping out here!?"
- Of course I won't take it off out here. I only said it as a precaution, as I feared you would pick off my entire upper garmet.
- "Mhm, then..... let's go"
- "Mhm"
- I carried the bag on my back and started to take my steps, Kirino caught up to me and walked besides me.
- We, who used to stagger each other (?), now walked side by side.
- These all are lines that are called cliché.... but honestly, this has existed since a long time ago. (?)
- [In the future we siblings, will live happily forever.]
- [Congrats, congrats] ----- a story that ends just like that.
- If it was one of those relaxing story Kirino likes, then perhaps at this point it will enter the ending part.
- But unfortunately, our story still isn't finished.
- There is still, a little bit.
- "-------"
- When we were very close to home, we slowly halted our steps.
- And discovered the figure of a familiar person, who I always knew would arrive.
- "Yo"

- [illustration p. 337]

- Facing her, I raised a hand and greeted in a relaxed manner.
- The counterpart also seemed to have noticed me, and waved softly with a smile.
- "Kyou-chan, Kirino-chan"
- Just next to the park, at the branch road between Tamura's house and Kousaka's house.
- At the spot where we always would meet up every morning, Manami was waiting for us.
- "Just as said before, I'm here for a brawl."
- Thus ---- it was time for the last decisive battle.
- Then, let's watch.

[Densetsuhakai]

Originally Posted by seangel92

The autor said that Oreimo is like a galge and Kirino is the winner and she has the best happy ending that he could give to her. Kirino wants to stay in love with Kyosuke forever but she dither with the break up (Ruin his study, finding work, sociaty against them). For me is clear, if the autor has wanted a "normal siblings", he wouldn't put a second kiss and the "follow me".

Yeah,I have the same interpretation as you.But my point is that because it is clear for us,it doesn't mean that it's clear for other people like tommythecat.He doesn't see the ending as definite as the most people do and that is his right.And as long as there is a evidence out there which is against the theory of the siblings to be together as lovers forever,so long he does has the right to say they aren't going to be togetehr again (at least not as lovers).He doesn't say we are all wrong,so please don't say he is definitively wrong with his interpretation,because he isn't.His interpretation is definitively legit.

[seangel92]

Originally Posted by Densetsuhakai

Yeah,I have the same interpretation as you.But my point is that because it is clear for us,it doesn't mean that it's clear for other people like tommythecat.He doesn't see the ending as definite as the most people do and that is his right.And as long as there is a evidence out there which is against the theory of the siblings to be together as lovers forever,so long he does has the right to say they aren't going to be togetehr again (at least not as lovers).He doesn't say we are all wrong,so please don't say he is definitively wrong with his interpretation,because he isn't.His interpretation is definitively legit.

The autor made this ending only to avoid the law in order to the "I don't like incest, I want to see them in a normal siblings relationship" can be happy saying that they have a no-incest ending (forced interpretation and what the autor wants to calm this people). For me it's clear.

[Wilshere]

Originally Posted by SigUp

Part 3 Final Chapter

Spoiler for Part 3 Final Chapter:

- After this conversation had gone on for a while, the guy next of us slowly buttered in.
- "I think that's really great."
- It was Mikagami. Going by his words, it seems that he had noticed our conversation.
- By the way, concerning mine and Kirino's relationship, this guy also knows about it.
- "Mah, I guessed you would say so."
- Because that guy really likes [forbidden love stories] between siblings, or something like that.
- "Even though I already mentioned in the past, that if siblings want to marry they will face many obstacles ----- but having said it like that, I also have already married a 2D girl."
- "What for things are you saying with a honest face! That is not a problem like that, okay!"
- "It is the same. Such a thing like marriage, is something just the two sides have to decide, it's not something the law decides. Although according to the law of this country the bond between me and Rinko-rin won't receive recognition. But, who cares?"
- Mikagami-san's so cool~
- But don't mix up the heroine of an eroge with my imouto.
- "To tell you the truth, as long as you possess love, money, health, isn't this a life without pressure? Although the time before all this is accumulated is very hard, but to you who already possess all this, what is there to fear of?"
- "I'm not as good as you say I am. Moreover there are still all kinds of different important things."
- "Something like reputation?"
- "That indeed is quite important."
- "Let's talk about something that can provide courage."
- Mikagami raised one finger, and said with a serious face,
- "In a certain place, there is a young, fashionable model, who's also a cool desginer."
- You are obviously talking about yourself! Don't call yourself cool!
- "He is very cool and is popular among the girls."
- I am about to kill.
- "But, he has a secret that no one can know about."
- "That in truth he is an otaku, right?"
- "Right ----- in order to protect his image, he had to hide the fact, that he loved eroge and was an otaku."
- I've heard this kind of thing somewhere long ago.
- "But one day, something unfortunate happened to him."
- Hoho.
- "At the Meruru live festival during New Year, the me who used all his relationships ---- no, the him, had created a very good relationship with the cute girl who cosplayed as Alpha Omega."
- Although there were many spots at which I would have liked to mock him, I resisted.
- "On the way back from the festival, he used a car to bring her, who had fallen asleep, back home ---- at that time, he was photographed by reporters. The next week this princess carry picture was published in the weekly magazines and caused a huge uproar."
- "That's not something to joke about!"
- "His twitter account was flooded by those abusive fans who have no heart or soul. He was tagged with something as extreme as disgusting lolicon bastard, his image as an herbivore man was also crushed, even though he had done nothing to have a guilty conscience for.
- If you have done something for which you should have a guilty conscience, I will definitely kill you.
- "He was very troubled. If that continued, not only him, but also the very young her, would have suffered gravely. He was also given a harsh lesson by the loli girl cosplaying as Meruru, who apparently was covering for her."
- This scene can actually be imagined quite easily.
- "Then... what happened next?"
- "Then he made up his mind, and organized an explanation conference on Nico. There he loudly declared something like [I am definitely not some kind of disgusting lolicon bastard, but rather have already married a 2D girl.], or [I only like 2D lolis, 3D lolis are not within the range of my choices.]."
- "........................"
- ........ what. This guy could become the protagonist of some story just like that.
- "As a result, you can say that his reputation is already much different from before, or even that it is thoroughly ruined------ but that is not a matter of life and death, he still happily passes every day and continues to live with fortitude."
- "................................... I see."
- "Do you feel encouraged?"
- "O, oh."
- These were the words of encouragement the pioneer gave me, who stormed right through the minefield I'm also facing.
- This definitely has to be accepted.
- Then
- "Ha ~ ha ~ ha!"
- The room was filled by a forthright laughter.
- "Really a bunch of guys who are pleasant until the very last moment! Too interesting, you guys!"
- "President" *N
- The sights of everybody were set on the president.
- Needless to mention, that's the leader of the club, president Miura Gennosuke.
- It is unknown how many years he stayed, but it was finally time to congratulate him on deciding to graduate.
- Furthermore, the university he will be attending is a very famous one, really scary.
- "Finally graduating ----- congratulations."
- "Hahaha, when I'm no longer here, please don't feel sad and cry Makabe."
- "How could I. I'm feeling quite good. That way, I no longer have to make some shitty game."
- Although he made some icy mocking comment, nobody understood, what he truly felt in his heart.
- "You really dare to say that. ---- please, new president."
- "Yes. After all this time, thanks for your hard work."
- At this moment of the passing of the title of president of the Game Research Club. Even though I only stayed with them for one year, I was still very happy that I was present."
- "Hahahaha! I've waited a long time! Ku ~~~ How moe a scene is this! If this is not burned into the mind right now!"
- .... once again starting to have some filthy imaginations, seeing this scene of men parting.
- "Listen!"
- The president rose, and opened his fan while saying with a loud voice.
- "I want to create the world's leading game company, make great games, games that will enable people to fully immerse into them! That's why I chose to go to college, in order to gain even more power! Find even more comrades! Even though it looks like there are no more things that can inspire me ---- but, I will not give up! In order to realize that dream, I will do what I can! In order to prevent any regrets, I will straighten my body and do my best! And these things -----"
- The president looked at us, looked at Makabe-kun, looked at Sena, looked at every club member -----
- Then pointed at Gokou Ruri's seat and said.
- "Were all taught to me by you guys!"
- All club members, remembered the same scenes.
- The time of the member's recruiting, the lively welcoming party, the first competition, the earliest game creations .... twice participating in the Comiket ---- these, were all times spent with this club.
- These are the common memories of everyone.
- "Even though the current me does not possess enough strength, but in time, I will come and help you. ---- because if I let you be and don't care, the world will suffer from all kinds of shitty games."
- "Hehe ~ if the pay is good, then I'll come to you president and participate in the interviews ~"
- "Kahaha, you are really a bunch of unrelenting kouhais! ---- don't forget, ever since creation has the Game Research spirit been inherited! This rule of never disrespecting the president and never ignoring shitty games!" (?)
- "Does this kind of thing exist" "I don't know about that" ---- the kouhai couple fired back calmly.
- "Bye! Have to maintain your spirit!" *N
- "Yes" *N
- This was the parting message and parting answer, in the unique spirit of our Game Research Club.

- After the graduation ceremony and the last homeroom, I left the classroom I will never return to and went to the hallway. The sounds of "Farewell" "See you" were still resonating in my ear.
- Just like the spring holidays in the past, there were some people who made agreements with others to go out together.
- "Kousaka, are you coming?"
- Even if I received an invitation, I would reject it with a "I'm sorry".
- Then, after saying goodbye to those familiar guys, I could directly go home ----- as if.
- Today, at this time, there was still an important matter, that was waiting for me.
- To me, it was even more important than the graduation ceremony, an incident that will become a milestone of my life.
- I wanted to print the image of the school building and the schoolyard into my eyes, as I slowly walked away.
- The song '仰げば尊し' that was sung at the ceremony still sounded in my ear.

- Now was the time of farewell

- "----- goodbye"
- I balled a hand into a fist and passed through the school gate without looking back.
- Right then.
- " ------ who are you talking to."
- Right next to me, a teasing voice appeared.
- "! do, don't scare people .... You really had me here."
- The one with the voice was just the school uniform wearing Kirino. In her hands she held the envelope containing the certificate.
- As if she was completely ignoring my protests, she continued.
- "Are you perhaps ~ bidding farewell to your school?"
- "So what"
- Being pointed out like that by you is really embarrassing! Damn, finally resting in a sad mood, it was completely ruined by you.
- "By the way, why are you here? The meeting point we agreed upon wasn't here."
- "Look at your words. Because our graduation ceremony finished early, I came to get you. Come on and thank me."
- Kirino folded her arms before her chest in an incredible fashion. Then she began to stare at my clothes.
- "? What"
- "Huh ~ I want to continue looking."
- "Looking at what?"
- "....................."
- Kirino didn't answer, then suddenly reached out her hand to my belly ----
- Screetch!
- "So the second button, get!"
- Ah! Don't say this is the second button, all the buttons on this school uniform have been torn down!
- Kirino held the trophy proudly in one hand, then reached for my neck.
- "Hehe ~ Tentatively I also take this tie."
- "Don't! The neck will hurt! I just give you my tie, okay, wait a second!"
- Are you a bandit?
- "I feel like I will get picked blank.... honestly----- here."
- "Mhm"
- She really puts up an incredible expression.
- "This is the last time I wear this school uniform anyway, if you want it, I'll give you the entire thing. Besides, lately this has been in your room anyway."
- "..... the entire thing.... that's also not bad. ----- good, if you say so, then I'll take it."
- "I'll give it to you when we are back at home."
- "Of course! Or are you stripping out here!?"
- Of course I won't take it off out here. I only said it as a precaution, as I feared you would pick off my entire upper garmet.
- "Mhm, then..... let's go"
- "Mhm"
- I carried the bag on my back and started to take my steps, Kirino caught up to me and walked besides me.
- We, who used to stagger each other (?), now walked side by side.
- These all are lines that are called cliché.... but honestly, this has existed since a long time ago. (?)
- [In the future we siblings, will live happily forever.]
- [Congrats, congrats] ----- a story that ends just like that.
- If it was one of those relaxing story Kirino likes, then perhaps at this point it will enter the ending part.
- But unfortunately, our story still isn't finished.
- There is still, a little bit.
- "-------"
- When we were very close to home, we slowly halted our steps.
- And discovered the figure of a familiar person, who I always knew would arrive.
- "Yo"

- [illustration p. 337]

- Facing her, I raised a hand and greeted in a relaxed manner.
- The counterpart also seemed to have noticed me, and waved softly with a smile.
- "Kyou-chan, Kirino-chan"
- Just next to the park, at the branch road between Tamura's house and Kousaka's house.
- At the spot where we always would meet up every morning, Manami was waiting for us.
- "Just as said before, I'm here for a brawl."
- Thus ---- it was time for the last decisive battle.
- Then, let's watch.

Atmosphere getting tense there (well, here as well). Shit gets serious now,cant wait for the excitement !!! thx mate great job

[tommythecat]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

No, because I guessed by the context of the conversation where this was going, and I was dreading it since it's a reprise of what has been going on for days with you all over the Internet. But here you go anyway...

The marriage ceremony was only the two of them.

Well thank you for answering the question and insulting me. The reason I wanted to be clear was because the interview talked about a secret they share so I wanted to know if the wedding could be that secret. I knew it was private but didn't know if it was a secret.

[Kakurin]

I am watching this discussion pretty curiously. Because I for my part am completely disinterested in the question of whether they are together forever, whether they are dating behind the curtains or whatever. Why? First of all, Kirino is happy. Even though I still haven't gone through the very last part, yet, it can be said, that Kirino is happy. And for me as a Kirino fan this is quite important. Second, Kirino got her wish, in that Kyousuke has chosen her and in that process broken off all the bridges behind him. Third, Kirino got those lovely moments (cute interactions, kiss) that I wanted to see. And fourth, even if they are not actively dating in the end, they are still in love.

[s0beit]

Originally Posted by SigUp

Part 3 Final Chapter

Spoiler for Part 3 Final Chapter:

- After this conversation had gone on for a while, the guy next of us slowly buttered in.
- "I think that's really great."
- It was Mikagami. Going by his words, it seems that he had noticed our conversation.
- By the way, concerning mine and Kirino's relationship, this guy also knows about it.
- "Mah, I guessed you would say so."
- Because that guy really likes [forbidden love stories] between siblings, or something like that.
- "Even though I already mentioned in the past, that if siblings want to marry they will face many obstacles ----- but having said it like that, I also have already married a 2D girl."
- "What for things are you saying with a honest face! That is not a problem like that, okay!"
- "It is the same. Such a thing like marriage, is something just the two sides have to decide, it's not something the law decides. Although according to the law of this country the bond between me and Rinko-rin won't receive recognition. But, who cares?"
- Mikagami-san's so cool~
- But don't mix up the heroine of an eroge with my imouto.
- "To tell you the truth, as long as you possess love, money, health, isn't this a life without pressure? Although the time before all this is accumulated is very hard, but to you who already possess all this, what is there to fear of?"
- "I'm not as good as you say I am. Moreover there are still all kinds of different important things."
- "Something like reputation?"
- "That indeed is quite important."
- "Let's talk about something that can provide courage."
- Mikagami raised one finger, and said with a serious face,
- "In a certain place, there is a young, fashionable model, who's also a cool desginer."
- You are obviously talking about yourself! Don't call yourself cool!
- "He is very cool and is popular among the girls."
- I am about to kill.
- "But, he has a secret that no one can know about."
- "That in truth he is an otaku, right?"
- "Right ----- in order to protect his image, he had to hide the fact, that he loved eroge and was an otaku."
- I've heard this kind of thing somewhere long ago.
- "But one day, something unfortunate happened to him."
- Hoho.
- "At the Meruru live festival during New Year, the me who used all his relationships ---- no, the him, had created a very good relationship with the cute girl who cosplayed as Alpha Omega."
- Although there were many spots at which I would have liked to mock him, I resisted.
- "On the way back from the festival, he used a car to bring her, who had fallen asleep, back home ---- at that time, he was photographed by reporters. The next week this princess carry picture was published in the weekly magazines and caused a huge uproar."
- "That's not something to joke about!"
- "His twitter account was flooded by those abusive fans who have no heart or soul. He was tagged with something as extreme as disgusting lolicon bastard, his image as an herbivore man was also crushed, even though he had done nothing to have a guilty conscience for.
- If you have done something for which you should have a guilty conscience, I will definitely kill you.
- "He was very troubled. If that continued, not only him, but also the very young her, would have suffered gravely. He was also given a harsh lesson by the loli girl cosplaying as Meruru, who apparently was covering for her."
- This scene can actually be imagined quite easily.
- "Then... what happened next?"
- "Then he made up his mind, and organized an explanation conference on Nico. There he loudly declared something like [I am definitely not some kind of disgusting lolicon bastard, but rather have already married a 2D girl.], or [I only like 2D lolis, 3D lolis are not within the range of my choices.]."
- "........................"
- ........ what. This guy could become the protagonist of some story just like that.
- "As a result, you can say that his reputation is already much different from before, or even that it is thoroughly ruined------ but that is not a matter of life and death, he still happily passes every day and continues to live with fortitude."
- "................................... I see."
- "Do you feel encouraged?"
- "O, oh."
- These were the words of encouragement the pioneer gave me, who stormed right through the minefield I'm also facing.
- This definitely has to be accepted.
- Then
- "Ha ~ ha ~ ha!"
- The room was filled by a forthright laughter.
- "Really a bunch of guys who are pleasant until the very last moment! Too interesting, you guys!"
- "President" *N
- The sights of everybody were set on the president.
- Needless to mention, that's the leader of the club, president Miura Gennosuke.
- It is unknown how many years he stayed, but it was finally time to congratulate him on deciding to graduate.
- Furthermore, the university he will be attending is a very famous one, really scary.
- "Finally graduating ----- congratulations."
- "Hahaha, when I'm no longer here, please don't feel sad and cry Makabe."
- "How could I. I'm feeling quite good. That way, I no longer have to make some shitty game."
- Although he made some icy mocking comment, nobody understood, what he truly felt in his heart.
- "You really dare to say that. ---- please, new president."
- "Yes. After all this time, thanks for your hard work."
- At this moment of the passing of the title of president of the Game Research Club. Even though I only stayed with them for one year, I was still very happy that I was present."
- "Hahahaha! I've waited a long time! Ku ~~~ How moe a scene is this! If this is not burned into the mind right now!"
- .... once again starting to have some filthy imaginations, seeing this scene of men parting.
- "Listen!"
- The president rose, and opened his fan while saying with a loud voice.
- "I want to create the world's leading game company, make great games, games that will enable people to fully immerse into them! That's why I chose to go to college, in order to gain even more power! Find even more comrades! Even though it looks like there are no more things that can inspire me ---- but, I will not give up! In order to realize that dream, I will do what I can! In order to prevent any regrets, I will straighten my body and do my best! And these things -----"
- The president looked at us, looked at Makabe-kun, looked at Sena, looked at every club member -----
- Then pointed at Gokou Ruri's seat and said.
- "Were all taught to me by you guys!"
- All club members, remembered the same scenes.
- The time of the member's recruiting, the lively welcoming party, the first competition, the earliest game creations .... twice participating in the Comiket ---- these, were all times spent with this club.
- These are the common memories of everyone.
- "Even though the current me does not possess enough strength, but in time, I will come and help you. ---- because if I let you be and don't care, the world will suffer from all kinds of shitty games."
- "Hehe ~ if the pay is good, then I'll come to you president and participate in the interviews ~"
- "Kahaha, you are really a bunch of unrelenting kouhais! ---- don't forget, ever since creation has the Game Research spirit been inherited! This rule of never disrespecting the president and never ignoring shitty games!" (?)
- "Does this kind of thing exist" "I don't know about that" ---- the kouhai couple fired back calmly.
- "Bye! Have to maintain your spirit!" *N
- "Yes" *N
- This was the parting message and parting answer, in the unique spirit of our Game Research Club.

- After the graduation ceremony and the last homeroom, I left the classroom I will never return to and went to the hallway. The sounds of "Farewell" "See you" were still resonating in my ear.
- Just like the spring holidays in the past, there were some people who made agreements with others to go out together.
- "Kousaka, are you coming?"
- Even if I received an invitation, I would reject it with a "I'm sorry".
- Then, after saying goodbye to those familiar guys, I could directly go home ----- as if.
- Today, at this time, there was still an important matter, that was waiting for me.
- To me, it was even more important than the graduation ceremony, an incident that will become a milestone of my life.
- I wanted to print the image of the school building and the schoolyard into my eyes, as I slowly walked away.
- The song '仰げば尊し' that was sung at the ceremony still sounded in my ear.

- Now was the time of farewell

- "----- goodbye"
- I balled a hand into a fist and passed through the school gate without looking back.
- Right then.
- " ------ who are you talking to."
- Right next to me, a teasing voice appeared.
- "! do, don't scare people .... You really had me here."
- The one with the voice was just the school uniform wearing Kirino. In her hands she held the envelope containing the certificate.
- As if she was completely ignoring my protests, she continued.
- "Are you perhaps ~ bidding farewell to your school?"
- "So what"
- Being pointed out like that by you is really embarrassing! Damn, finally resting in a sad mood, it was completely ruined by you.
- "By the way, why are you here? The meeting point we agreed upon wasn't here."
- "Look at your words. Because our graduation ceremony finished early, I came to get you. Come on and thank me."
- Kirino folded her arms before her chest in an incredible fashion. Then she began to stare at my clothes.
- "? What"
- "Huh ~ I want to continue looking."
- "Looking at what?"
- "....................."
- Kirino didn't answer, then suddenly reached out her hand to my belly ----
- Screetch!
- "So the second button, get!"
- Ah! Don't say this is the second button, all the buttons on this school uniform have been torn down!
- Kirino held the trophy proudly in one hand, then reached for my neck.
- "Hehe ~ Tentatively I also take this tie."
- "Don't! The neck will hurt! I just give you my tie, okay, wait a second!"
- Are you a bandit?
- "I feel like I will get picked blank.... honestly----- here."
- "Mhm"
- She really puts up an incredible expression.
- "This is the last time I wear this school uniform anyway, if you want it, I'll give you the entire thing. Besides, lately this has been in your room anyway."
- "..... the entire thing.... that's also not bad. ----- good, if you say so, then I'll take it."
- "I'll give it to you when we are back at home."
- "Of course! Or are you stripping out here!?"
- Of course I won't take it off out here. I only said it as a precaution, as I feared you would pick off my entire upper garmet.
- "Mhm, then..... let's go"
- "Mhm"
- I carried the bag on my back and started to take my steps, Kirino caught up to me and walked besides me.
- We, who used to stagger each other (?), now walked side by side.
- These all are lines that are called cliché.... but honestly, this has existed since a long time ago. (?)
- [In the future we siblings, will live happily forever.]
- [Congrats, congrats] ----- a story that ends just like that.
- If it was one of those relaxing story Kirino likes, then perhaps at this point it will enter the ending part.
- But unfortunately, our story still isn't finished.
- There is still, a little bit.
- "-------"
- When we were very close to home, we slowly halted our steps.
- And discovered the figure of a familiar person, who I always knew would arrive.
- "Yo"

- [illustration p. 337]

- Facing her, I raised a hand and greeted in a relaxed manner.
- The counterpart also seemed to have noticed me, and waved softly with a smile.
- "Kyou-chan, Kirino-chan"
- Just next to the park, at the branch road between Tamura's house and Kousaka's house.
- At the spot where we always would meet up every morning, Manami was waiting for us.
- "Just as said before, I'm here for a brawl."
- Thus ---- it was time for the last decisive battle.
- Then, let's watch.

Oh god Mikagami...
You are one of my favorite characters still

[tommythecat]

Originally Posted by SigUp

I am watching this discussion pretty curiously. Because I for my part am completely disinterested in the question of whether they are together forever, whether they are dating behind the curtains or whatever. Why? First of all, Kirino is happy. Even though I still haven't gone through the very last part, yet, it can be said, that Kirino is happy. And for me as a Kirino fan this is quite important. Second, Kirino got her wish, in that Kyousuke has chosen her and in that process broken off all the bridges behind him. Third, Kirino got those lovely moments (cute interactions, kiss) that I wanted to see. And fourth, even if they are not actively dating in the end, they are still in love.

I totally agree with this, I just don't like that everyone claims it's clear incest babies are in their future. Kirino's resolution is what matters for sure.

[seangel92]

Originally Posted by SigUp

I am watching this discussion pretty curiously. Because I for my part am completely disinterested in the question of whether they are together forever, whether they are dating behind the curtains or whatever. Why? First of all, Kirino is happy. Even though I still haven't gone through the very last part, yet, it can be said, that Kirino is happy. And for me as a Kirino fan this is quite important. Second, Kirino got her wish, in that Kyousuke has chosen her and in that process broken off all the bridges behind him. Third, Kirino got those lovely moments (cute interactions, kiss) that I wanted to see. And fourth, even if they are not actively dating in the end, they are still in love.

I didn't say that they date every day, I think that they would have specials days or something and they gonna wait until she is an adult or she ends her studies and they can reveal their love or something. She always wanted to be with him in a romantic way forever, she didn't want a "normal siblings" but is clear that she was forcing herself to it because the problems with society can mess up his future.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by Densetsuhakai

Yeah,I have the same interpretation as you.But my point is that because it is clear for us,it doesn't mean that it's clear for other people like tommythecat.He doesn't see the ending as definite as the most people do and that is his right.And as long as there is a evidence out there which is against the theory of the siblings to be together as lovers forever,so long he does has the right to say they aren't going to be togetehr again (at least not as lovers).He doesn't say we are all wrong,so please don't say he is definitevely wrong with his interpretation,because he isn't.His interpretation is definitevely legit.

The issue isn't "because we don't know for absolute certain what happens, we can't conclude that something different will happen down the road". If that were the case, then no ending in literature is ever "final" unless we follow every day until the characters die.

The issue is: what does the preponderance of evidence suggest for how we should interpret what is shown? And, secondly, what does the evidence suggest about the direction for what happens next?

I mean, since we "don't actually know what will happen", I could say that they'll arrive at the meet-up, Kuroneko will take Kyousuke aside, kiss him, and say that she's thought it over, that she doesn't care if he loves Kirino but she won't give up until he loves her back. And that, upon learning this, Kirino will give up on Kyousuke entirely. You could say "well, doesn't say it doesn't happen, so seems legit!". But how likely is that based on what we know of the characters, their previous actions, and their motivations? How is this supported by the hints we are given in the narrative itself?

So even in an "open ending", not all theories are equal. "Anything can happen", but we still have to consider what is most likely.

Originally Posted by tommythecat

Well thank you for answering the question and insulting me. The reason I wanted to be clear was because the interview talked about a secret they share so I wanted to know if the wedding could be that secret.

*sigh*...

No. The symbol of their shared secret is the life consultation. The life consultation was announced in direct response Kyousuke's second kiss, that happens well after the wedding. The shared secret is tied to their relationship going forward, not anything that happens in the past. There is absolutely no insinuation or suggestion by the author that the "shared secret" referred to by the life consultation is the wedding, and this does not match the way the ending was presented.

Originally Posted by tommythecat

I just don't like that everyone claims it's clear incest babies are in their future.

Nobody here said this, that I can recall.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by tommythecat

I totally agree with this, I just don't like that everyone claims it's clear incest babies are in their future. Kirino's resolution is what matters for sure.

To me their relationship is a romantical one on the level of emotions / affections. I do not see this as a sexual one. This just doesn't fit with my image of Kirino.

Originally Posted by seangel92

I didn't say that they date every day, I think that they would have specials days or something and they gonna wait until she is an adult or she has finished her studies and they can reveal their love or something. She always wanted to be with him in a romantic way forever, she didn't want a "normal siblings" but is clear that she was forcing herself to it because the problems with society can mess up his future.

I agree with that 'normal siblings' thing and that's what I meant with they are still in love in the end. They are clearly still in love, and as such their relationship is not one of normal siblings, as the affection and care is clearly present, even without active dating and other stuff.

[zubalikei]

Originally Posted by mayid

Let me answer it this way. The author wanted to give kirino the best ending possible. In other words he wanted her to be happy. And what makes Kirino to be happy: to be with her onii chan forever (just like in her recordings).

So everyone his conclusion

Ia totally agreed your opinion...

[finalfury]

Originally Posted by SigUp

I am watching this discussion pretty curiously. Because I for my part am completely disinterested in the question of whether they are together forever, whether they are dating behind the curtains or whatever. Why? First of all, Kirino is happy. Even though I still haven't gone through the very last part, yet, it can be said, that Kirino is happy. And for me as a Kirino fan this is quite important. Second, Kirino got her wish, in that Kyousuke has chosen her and in that process broken off all the bridges behind him. Third, Kirino got those lovely moments (cute interactions, kiss) that I wanted to see. And fourth, even if they are not actively dating in the end, they are still in love.

What happens at the end brings closure to a series. It helps you to part from it by accepting that it is over. Modern conventions, such as dating and whatnot are easy ways to categorize romantic love so to speak. Despite what people say, the differences between romantic and platonic love aren't as vast as the endless abyss. I just think people harp on the differences in order to make it more distinct and noteworthy. The schemas that people develop throughout their lifetimes are partly to blame for that. For me, the fact the author gave his viewpoint on the story and leaves it open enough for the imagination to take root and form ideas about what happens in the future, thus giving the story life beyond the book. Ergo, author chose an ending that he wanted, despite not catering to the desires of a good portion of his fanbase.

tl;dr
People like closure since it is not a luxury they have due to the day of their death being unknown to them, and the distinctions between romantic and platonic/familial love are highly distinguished from one another. "Perception is the flaw of the known universe." - the birth of all arguments, debates, and the like.
Edit- thread needs less homogeneity, but then it might end up turning into a flare-storm. :/
EDIT#2: The happiness of the fans is a higher priority than the happiness of the characters. Imagine if Kirino left for Europe and was completely happy about it due to author intervention, do you honestly think that her fans would have been happy?

[s0beit]

Originally Posted by SigUp

To me their relationship is a romantical one on the level of emotions / affections. I do not see this as a sexual one. This just doesn't fit with my image of Kirino.

first comes love, then comes marriage, then comes... Duhuhu

Originally Posted by SigUp

I agree with that 'normal siblings' thing and that's what I meant with they are still in love in the end. They are clearly still in love, and as such their relationship is not one of normal siblings, as the affection and care is clearly present, even without active dating and other stuff.

There's no way they're dating, I agree. They're married.

[seangel92]

Originally Posted by SigUp

I agree with that 'normal siblings' thing and that's what I meant with they are still in love in the end. They are clearly still in love, and as such their relationship is not one of normal siblings, as the affection and care is clearly present, even without active dating and other stuff.

With this ending, the people that wants to negate the incest ending can be happy for the "normal siblings" but the people that this doesn't matter can see that he gave us a ending with second kiss, kirino acting like a Tsundere and a cute scene with she saying to him "what are you waiting? Keep pace!" and the "My little sister can't be this cute" (I think that if she didn't want to continue their love story, he wouldn't say "My little sister can't be this cute").

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by finalfury

What happens at the end brings closure to a series. It helps you to part from it by accepting that it is over.

I agree. Everyone has to find his or her own closure. I'm just of the type that as long as I like the ending and can put it into rather definite terms, then for me the closure is achieved. As such I will dwell in the stuff that is out there, relieve the great moments etc. but won't waste many thoughts on questions of how it will continue etc.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by s0beit

first comes love, then comes marriage, then comes... Duhuhu

There's no way they're dating, I agree. They're married.

Great stuff you posted, loved it.