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Demongod86 · 2010-02-13, 01:00

Take a dragon. Replace scales with fluffy fur. Replace cold lizard blood with warm blood.

Effectively, fuse a dragon and a cat. The size and shape and majesty of a dragon, but the fluffy-want-to-take-him-home-with-you of a cat. So long as it was a majestic winged creature without a beak and had four limbs and a pointed head and had magical powers, it'd be a dragon.

Honestly, what's keeping dragons from being warm and fuzzy? I remember in Seiken Densetsu 3 there was Flammie, which while on the right path, isn't exactly big enough (although she effectively serves as your airship)

Elves: Sure they have pointy ears, but must they be a foot long? Can't they be like in the LotR films? Like, slightly pointed, but not "OMG GIANT POINTY EARS"?

As for Dwarves: well, the characteristic of a dwarf is that he's beyond short to the point that he has disproportionately small limbs. That's the defining characteristic of a dwarf.

And the point of a visual display is that what I see is what happens, yes? I mean when I see an arrow hit the hero and he has a reaction that shows he got hit and he takes 1 damage, I take it to mean "the hero got hit with an arrow", but it didn't go through his armor.

The real question is though why RPGs must rely on abstraction. What exactly is keeping developers from removing the whole HP and mana thing?

***relentlessflame*** · 2010-02-13, 01:12

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Originally Posted by Demongod86

The real question is though why RPGs must rely on abstraction. What exactly is keeping developers from removing the whole HP and mana thing?

Nothing, but learning to master these systems of abstraction is precisely the thing that a lot of those who play these games enjoy.

I think we've probably dragged this tangent on too long in this thread. Is it worth creating a separate thread to discuss this? If so, and if someone has an idea about how to start it, I invite you to do so.

Duo Maxwell · 2010-02-13, 01:17

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Originally Posted by Demongod86

The real question is though why RPGs must rely on abstraction. What exactly is keeping developers from removing the whole HP and mana thing?

It's called Mario.

Seriously, just what's your definition of RPG?

~~Arbitres~~ · 2010-02-13, 06:15

...I swore we were talking about the upcoming Final Fantasy XIII.

So come on, what are the characters names? I guess i'm only interested as far as to get this thing BOT.

Sides · 2010-02-13, 06:42

360 bundle on kotaku and siliconera.
People might laugh at the 360 version, however if the disc have different art work printed on each of them, i do see why hardcore fanatics will grab both versions. Besides the 360 lets you install games on the HDD, hopefully it won't need swapping like mass effect 2.

Syntron · 2010-02-13, 08:52

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Originally Posted by Demongod86

I remember in Seiken Densetsu 3 [...]

That game was so freaking awesome that i cant resist to derail this topic even further...

-You could actually choose your main character, and most of them were awesome (Lise 4tw, spear amazon best amazon).
-Based on your main, the whole story changed. You had an individual origin (hello bioware!) and an individual last chapter!
-The character tiers actually meant something, while i could play dragon age without any class changes... Lise as Stardancer was pure sex.
-A metric ton of Boss fights! Remember those awesome bosses in Dragon Age or Mass Effect? No? Thats right...
-and a million more awesome facts, that just obliterate everything that crawled out of western rpgs to date.

/derail

JagdPanther · 2010-02-13, 10:32

Forgive me for being late to the party, but...

Objective business student's take: The fact that there's going to be a special edition XBOX 360 for FFXIII is genius for tapping into the XBOX market.

Subjective Final Fantasy fan's take: THIS IS TOTAL BS!!!!!! &*^%&$^%!!!!!!!! DIE, SQUARE! Oh, sure, give the freakin' piece of crap XBOX 360 a special edition, but nooooooooooooo, don't bring over the GORGEOUS FFXIII Special Edition PS3, noooooooo....

Anyway, now that I have that out of my system, back to scanning the FFXIII site...

EDIT:

On a side note... has anyone preordered the FFXIII imported soundtrack from Square's website? Do you think it's a good deal? I'm considering getting it. I'm always a sucker for imports, and at 4 discs and $30, it'll be less than what I paid for my most prized import CD collection (2-disc Xenogears OST).

Leo Keichi · 2010-02-13, 13:41

On a side note... has anyone preordered the FFXIII imported soundtrack from Square's website? Do you think it's a good deal? I'm considering getting it. I'm always a sucker for imports, and at 4 discs and $30, it'll be less than what I paid for my most prized import CD collection (2-disc Xenogears OST).

I think you should buy it. The soundtrack is great, even better than the ones made by Uematsu. It has that exciting feeling I think was kind of lacking in FFXII's music, and the instrumentation is pretty neat.

They're going to release a vinyl disc with 8 songs from the game. This is a nice item for collectors, although too expensive, imo.

JagdPanther · 2010-02-13, 15:38

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Originally Posted by Leo Keichi

I think you should buy it. The soundtrack is great, even better than the ones made by Uematsu. It has that exciting feeling I think was kind of lacking in FFXII's music, and the instrumentation is pretty neat.

Thanks for the input. I'm deciding how to spend limited funds. I want to get FF XIII, of course. Then I'm considering the special edition FF XIII strategy guide and the imported OST. And finally I'm looking to buy a PSP before June so I can get Valkyria Chronicles 2. LOLZ

Yeah, I kinda need to find money for this.

Xion Valkyrie · 2010-02-13, 18:59

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Originally Posted by Syntron

That game was so freaking awesome that i cant resist to derail this topic even further...

-You could actually choose your main character, and most of them were awesome (Lise 4tw, spear amazon best amazon).
-Based on your main, the whole story changed. You had an individual origin (hello bioware!) and an individual last chapter!
-The character tiers actually meant something, while i could play dragon age without any class changes... Lise as Stardancer was pure sex.
-A metric ton of Boss fights! Remember those awesome bosses in Dragon Age or Mass Effect? No? Thats right...
-and a million more awesome facts, that just obliterate everything that crawled out of western rpgs to date.

/derail

Yes, totally awesome game. I wonder if anyone at BioWare played it

The only thing it was missing was dialogue choices though. A lot of the SNES and PSX era JRPGs were incredibly innovative. It seems a lot of the more mainstream JRPGs nowadays have completely regressed in terms of innovation. I find it funny that SE considers getting rid of towns 'innovative'.

Edge Meltdown · 2010-02-13, 19:17

i heard that FF versus XIII is planned to be released this spring of 2010 tbh i was expecting that it'll come out next year... o well at least i don't have to wait that long heh

Noe · 2010-02-15, 22:18

The fact that this isn't like traditional FFs where the main character dies and the battle still continues is farfetched to me. Also have the OST, favorite song is probably 'Senkou.'

ufocatcher · 2010-02-15, 22:53

I just saw the 360 FFXIII bundle. Why are so many console/game bundles in white? The only bundle I remember that had a unique color was MGS4 PS3 and a few PSP bundles (*cough* purple Soul Calibur PSP *cough*).

Black consoles FTW.

Edge Meltdown · 2010-02-15, 23:48

white consoles are hard to clean up compared to black console u barely see any any dirts (except scratches) if there's any it really doesn't matter it looks cool either way

2H-Dragon · 2010-02-16, 05:57

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Originally Posted by DMC3alpha

white consoles are hard to clean up compared to black console u barely see any any dirts (except scratches) if there's any it really doesn't matter it looks cool either way

I don't know how people get their consoles dirty in the first place. I haven't payed any attention(cleaning wise) next to standard dusting(you know when you dust your TV as well) to my 360 it's still clean white without scratches.

I prefer the 360 white and the ps3 black.

klowny · 2010-02-17, 11:30

I am considering getting this game but i have never played a final fantasy game EVER. So i'm asking, should i start with this one?

ZGoten · 2010-02-17, 12:44

You can start with anyone.
They are all a little different in terms of gameplay, so there really is no Final Fantasy for "starters".
But shame on you that you haven't played any entry of the series so far. :O
FFVI and FFVII are games that any gamer should have played.

***relentlessflame*** · 2010-02-17, 22:09

Moved the FFVII remake discussion to its own thread so we wouldn't keep taking this thread off-topic.

ZODDGUTS · 2010-02-18, 10:12

Looks like the resolution for the 360 version is 1024x576 compare to the PS3 version which is 1280 x 720.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...ostcount=12055

ShinGundam · 2010-02-18, 13:54

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Originally Posted by ZODDGUTS

Looks like the resolution for the 360 version is 1024x576 compare to the PS3 version which is 1280 x 720.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...ostcount=12055

So much for multiplatform engine after all :\

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Demongod86 Gundam Boobs and Boom FTW Join Date: Dec 2005	Take a dragon. Replace scales with fluffy fur. Replace cold lizard blood with warm blood. Effectively, fuse a dragon and a cat. The size and shape and majesty of a dragon, but the fluffy-want-to-take-him-home-with-you of a cat. So long as it was a majestic winged creature without a beak and had four limbs and a pointed head and had magical powers, it'd be a dragon. Honestly, what's keeping dragons from being warm and fuzzy? I remember in Seiken Densetsu 3 there was Flammie, which while on the right path, isn't exactly big enough (although she effectively serves as your airship) Elves: Sure they have pointy ears, but must they be a foot long? Can't they be like in the LotR films? Like, slightly pointed, but not "OMG GIANT POINTY EARS"? As for Dwarves: well, the characteristic of a dwarf is that he's beyond short to the point that he has disproportionately small limbs. That's the defining characteristic of a dwarf. And the point of a visual display is that what I see is what happens, yes? I mean when I see an arrow hit the hero and he has a reaction that shows he got hit and he takes 1 damage, I take it to mean "the hero got hit with an arrow", but it didn't go through his armor. The real question is though why RPGs must rely on abstraction. What exactly is keeping developers from removing the whole HP and mana thing? __________________ Signature stolen by a horde of carnivorous bunnies. It is an unscientifically proven fact that they are attracted to signatures which break the signature rules.

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ZGoten Custom User Title Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Germany Age: 34	You can start with anyone. They are all a little different in terms of gameplay, so there really is no Final Fantasy for "starters". But shame on you that you haven't played any entry of the series so far. :O FFVI and FFVII are games that any gamer should have played. __________________ Truth is elusive to those who refuse to see with both eyes. Last edited by ZGoten; 2010-02-17 at 13:10.

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2010-02-13, 06:15	Link #2084
~~Arbitres~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Jan 2010	...I swore we were talking about the upcoming Final Fantasy XIII. So come on, what are the characters names? I guess i'm only interested as far as to get this thing BOT.

2010-02-13, 06:42	Link #2085
Sides Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Edinburgh Age: 42	360 bundle on kotaku and siliconera. People might laugh at the 360 version, however if the disc have different art work printed on each of them, i do see why hardcore fanatics will grab both versions. Besides the 360 lets you install games on the HDD, hopefully it won't need swapping like mass effect 2.

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Leo Keichi Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Gaijinland	On a side note... has anyone preordered the FFXIII imported soundtrack from Square's website? Do you think it's a good deal? I'm considering getting it. I'm always a sucker for imports, and at 4 discs and $30, it'll be less than what I paid for my most prized import CD collection (2-disc Xenogears OST). I think you should buy it. The soundtrack is great, even better than the ones made by Uematsu. It has that exciting feeling I think was kind of lacking in FFXII's music, and the instrumentation is pretty neat. They're going to release a vinyl disc with 8 songs from the game. This is a nice item for collectors, although too expensive, imo.

2010-02-13, 19:17	Link #2091
Edge Meltdown AxS HxM TxA RxS JxK HxM Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: akihabara :D Age: 36	i heard that FF versus XIII is planned to be released this spring of 2010 tbh i was expecting that it'll come out next year... o well at least i don't have to wait that long heh

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ufocatcher Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Philippines Age: 40	I just saw the 360 FFXIII bundle. Why are so many console/game bundles in white? The only bundle I remember that had a unique color was MGS4 PS3 and a few PSP bundles (cough purple Soul Calibur PSP cough). Black consoles FTW.

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Edge Meltdown AxS HxM TxA RxS JxK HxM Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: akihabara :D Age: 36	white consoles are hard to clean up compared to black console u barely see any any dirts (except scratches) if there's any it really doesn't matter it looks cool either way

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klowny OH NO Join Date: May 2007 Location: New York Age: 32	I am considering getting this game but i have never played a final fantasy game EVER. So i'm asking, should i start with this one?

2010-02-18, 10:12	Link #2099
ZODDGUTS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005	Looks like the resolution for the 360 version is 1024x576 compare to the PS3 version which is 1280 x 720. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...ostcount=12055