2011-02-14, 21:25 | Link #7842 | |
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2011-02-14, 22:15 | Link #7846 | |
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- Silvia: Tsund.... Saint and probably reaching new power levels if she is going outside Aeon of Osiris if Ollerus' research about Aeon of Horusis going well. - Fiamma: The Right Hand of God. Currently weakened but... suspected to be inmortal . - Index: If she gets some help to be free from bitchy-bitchy Laura, well, yeah, damn hax too. Mix those 4 together and Aiwass will seriously have to rethink if it should keep looking humans as mere ants. Same for Crowley. |
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2011-02-14, 22:48 | Link #7847 | |
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Each of them unique in the magic world, each of them overpowered... If only Index can activate her magic powers... I wonder what happens if she gets a hold on her remote, would she be able to hack it?
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2011-02-15, 01:11 | Link #7849 | |
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But essentially it shouldn't be any different from the volumes without Touma as a lead... Unless the Author wants to try something poetic and show how the world is a dark and sorrowful place without it's Hero... But that might be abit too dramatic
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2011-02-15, 01:19 | Link #7851 |
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Well personally I'd have to disagree; tossing out Touma's character at such a character cliffhanger point is ridiculous and dumb. I'm fine with him disappearing for a volume, MAYBE two, to bring about some development. (although I don't know what development it could bring Mikoto; she's already realized her feelings for him, Index pretty much acknowledged her feelings for him since the end of the first arc, and beyond that I don't see how either could develop as characters due to Touma's absence, especially since neither of them are mentioned in the summary for New Testament which makes it sound like they won't be there either) That would be fine if it's for the sake of story/plot/development, but anything like Sasuke "leaving" in Naruto Shippuden would be stupid.
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2011-02-15, 01:37 | Link #7852 | |
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2011-02-15, 02:00 | Link #7853 | |
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He's refering to a certain mahou shoujo. Must be the drills.
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2011-02-15, 02:13 | Link #7855 | ||
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2011-02-15, 03:06 | Link #7857 |
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Which is? You are familiar with the events in the World War 3 arc, right? The only cliffhangers there that aren't addressed in the new book's spoilers are Fiamma's fate with Ollerus and Sylvia (who I hope would get the screentime that's usually for Touma while he's gone ) and Laura Stuart's plan to take down AC. Everything regarding Touma's character was pretty much resolved (even the memory loss). He broke Accelerator's illusions on Heroes and Villains and Fiamma's illusions on "saving the world", and his importance to Aleister Crowley's plan was even given a little focus. Of course, because of this importance, his return is pretty much guaranteed. New Testament is a new beginning of sorts, kinda like the world rebuilding after the world war, and Kamachi did mention in Volume 22's epilogue that the next book will be about "the world that has been saved".
And you are familiar with Volume 15 and 19, right? Touma is not even mentioned in 15, and is only mentioned in passing in 19. And you do know that Touma is not the only main character, right? There are three main characters (see the Three_Heroes MAD I posted in the video thread, and Volume 22 afterword). Not one of them holds importance over the other, and you cannot single one out as being more "main" than the rest, as they all follow different paths that sometimes intertwine. The story can stand on its own without Touma for a while. This universe is massive, and there are lots of characters and plot threads that are influenced by the loss of this one trump card of sorts. I bet Kamachi would want to capitalize on this first before reintroducing him physically to the plot. He also stopped Mikoto in Volume 16. And he also stopped her from saving him in 22. Touma also stopped Index from getting involved in the Daihaseisai and Volume 16, and he also tried to stop Itsuwa from going against Acqua.
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2011-02-15, 03:34 | Link #7858 | |||
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You yourself also just stated that his role in Aleister's plan was given a "little" focus; what about the rest of his role? Quote:
Yes Touma isn't the only main character, as I specifically said myself in my immediately previous post, but he's the main character, not a main character. There's a reason Accelerator and Shiage have less main character focus than Touma overall. That would be because Toaru Index is mainly about Touma. Plenty of other anime/manga/light novels have shifted focus to another character as the main for an arc, but the main main character doesn't change. Quote:
Second, in volume 22, how does stopping her from saving him = stopping her from getting involved at all? Those were different circumstances. On the Index part, I suppose that's true, but then again that's a whole different thing from Mikoto because Index doesn't (consciously) have the high attack power Mikoto has. (i.e. she can't blow stuff up with a railgun) So naturally he'd worry about her getting hurt in the fight. Itsuwa is always getting in on the action. But all of that is beside my point; even if Touma was actively trying to stop them, there' really nothing he could do to succeed in stopping them if they want to help him fight. He's not going to knock them unconscious or anything; if they didn't keep choosing for themselves not to fight (which, again, is stupid), then there would be nothing he could do to stop them. So Touma's not the reason Mikoto and Index don't get more action; the author keeps shafting them on that. Again, I refer to volume 16 where Mikoto goes completely out of character and doesn't follow him to the fight. This is Mikoto we're talking about; she sees someone in trouble, she helps them. All the more so there, where she first acknowledged that she was in love with him. Not only did Touma give little to no resistance against her trying to help him fight, but the novel gave no reason for why she didn't go after him. The novel only pointed out why she didn't stop him.
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2011-02-15, 04:04 | Link #7859 | |
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Ever since their character arc, they haven't really change that much at all, no matter what happens at the core they remain the same. Shaken but not stirred. But now with an important person in their life gone, we get a chace to throw the 'holy stone' into their pond to see the ripples, we get to peek into their heads and see how the gears turns, we get to finally see something out of the norm for once. I have no issue with where the plot would lead, but I've notice that the author has been very 'cautious' when it comes to character development, and if Touma disappearing is what it takes to get a reaction out of people, then by all means do what you have to do.
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2011-02-15, 04:21 | Link #7860 | |
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However, like I said, I'm still fine with a temporary leave from Touma for the sake of character/plot/story focus/development. I'm just saying that he's not some side character to be tossed away, and his presence doesn't hurt the focus/development of other characters action or character-wise.
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