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Old 2012-08-31, 20:02   Link #761
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Ah, okay.


Oh, so you agree with me too, then, eh? Cool.

(Except I add Plus and 7 in as well.)
i can add Plus, but can never add 7. maybe i'm built that way
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Old 2012-09-03, 22:42   Link #762
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Been wondering if there are other islands in Frontier with their own specialty:

I only know the following:

Island 1 - Main residential area

Island 3 - Zentradi area

Island 13 - Don't think the show talks about its function

Island 15 - Same

I'd also like to know about the canonicity of some places like the Taiwan/Shanghai areas in Frontier.
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Old 2012-09-06, 00:21   Link #763
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I don't know if any of the Valkyrie Chronicles speak about it but no, they never gave specifics about them.

In the movies, it is hinted at that Island 1 is partly made up of San Francisco, by both the characters and setup.
In the series, Island 3 is stated to be a Zentradi residence, which includes the Formo Mall, which is sung at by Ranka, where she is thus scouted in the movies by Elmo soon after.

For the others, they never specify. If I recall correctly, there are a total of 20 islands. I only counted 15. So there are plenty that have no function stated.
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Old 2012-09-06, 02:31   Link #764
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Well, Macross has always been known to be not clear about most stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if they did not pay attention to the minor story details about what the other islands did.
But judging from the fact that we know that the Macross Frontier Fleet is a self-sustainable bio-plant, and that it is more focused on entertainment and recreation (think galaxy fleet if you want contrast), I think most of the other islands may either be also dedicated to Zentradi, are "bio-plants" to provide much needed resources to the main Island 1, or can be military-use islands (after all the fleet needs somewhere to develop their technologies). I am personally thinking of some of the islands as normal islands, like for normal living and stuff, maybe one of them are resort-like a la Singapore's Sentosa (Island that is a resort).
Well, it is all up to speculation until Kawamori decides to give information on it.
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Old 2012-09-06, 17:20   Link #765
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Been wondering if there are other islands in Frontier with their own specialty:
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Well, Macross has always been known to be not clear about most stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if they did not pay attention to the minor story details about what the other islands did.
Using Macross 7 as an example, which a detailed composition of the fleet could be found in Macross Chronicles, we can get a glimpse as to what constitute a complete colonial fleet.

Aside from the main island, usually known as Island 1 (where half of the population reside), we could have the possible following:

Concert Island: Ex. 武道艦

Environmental Island(s)

Research Island: Ex. アインシュタイン 研究実験艦

Religion Island: ヘブン (Heaven from Macross 7: Trash). This ship is shaped like a cross.

Amusement Island (sometimes multiple): Ex. ハリウッド アミューズメント施設艦 (Hollywood Amusement ship from Macross 7) and マーク・トウェイン号 (Mark Twain from 7)

Resort Island (sometimes multiple)

Agricultural Island (sometimes multiple): Ex. サニーフラワー 農業艦

Armory/Factory Island: Ex. スリースター 工業艦

Training/Barracks Island (Keep in mind the SMS is distinct from the military)

Stand-Alone Residential Island(s)

Macross 7 was escorted by approximately 200 warships and 2700 fighter-craft:
グァンタナモ級宇宙空母 (Guantanamo Class Carrier) x 45
ウラガ級護衛宇宙空母 (Uraga Escort Carrier) x 20
ノーザンプトン級ステルスフリゲート (Northampton Stealth Frigate) x 120
ネオ・ノプティ・バガニスbis級 (Neo-Nupetiet-Vergnitzs Zentradi Battleship) x Unknown

戦闘機 Fighters x 1,800 攻撃機 Attack-Craft x 600 爆撃機 Bombers x 9 電子作戦機 Electronic-Warfare x 120 貨物機 Cargo x 60 連絡機 Communications x 100

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Island 3 in Frontier is noted to have a couple things. A NUNS underground bio-lab, a mall, and a livestock raising facility.

Island 8 (通称はアイランド・リノ/Island Reno) is a desert area where Valkyrie Racing is popular. More details can be found in Macross the Ride.

Island 2 & Island 14 are used as a environmental facility (環境艦). One was abandoned (14) in episode 15 of Frontier after the Vajra attack. There are multiple such islands (most numerous of the island clusters), they are used to sustain the ecosystem of Island I and others. Island 2 is directly responsible for Island 1. Some act as spares. These are what keep an entire colonial fleet alive.

Island 15 is a standalone residential island. There are a good number of these to anticipate population growth. This particular one was featured in Macross the Ride.

Prison Island アルカトラズ (Alcatraz) in Frontier

Half of the 10 million population would reside in Island 1. The rest would be distributed amongst others.

Macross 25 is 10 times larger than 7.

Taiwan (台湾島) is a standalone island in Island I. The Shanghai Area (上海区/上海エリア) is adjacent to the Beijing Area across the harbor (港を挟んで北京エリアと隣接する地区). They are mentioned in the novels, but not in the anime.

IMO, if you narrow it down, you can get a pretty good idea.

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Old 2012-09-06, 18:34   Link #766
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True macross fan there.
Kay, you owned me on this one. Almost misled someone with my faulty knowledge.
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Old 2012-09-07, 09:15   Link #767
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Oh oh I just thought of a question that kept bugging me because I am a fanfic writer, and I need the specs to be sure that what I am writing makes sense.
Does anyone know the exact specifications of a nuclear warhead in the macross series?
I mean, from Macross Frontier, that is.
I heard somewhere that it is 10GT. I am not sure though...
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Old 2012-09-07, 10:46   Link #768
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Does anyone know the exact specifications of a nuclear warhead in the macross series?
I mean, from Macross Frontier, that is.
I heard somewhere that it is 10GT. I am not sure though...
No.

Macross does not use nuclear warheads. That had been a misconception. Reaction warheads were, at one point, only meant to be an unofficial allusion to nuclear weapons, nothing more. Unfortunately, some individuals often get the wrong idea into equivalating reaction weaponry to nukes.

In fact, Macross utilize anti-matter weaponry as a standard. This is done by having matter and anti-matter (transferred via subspace) interact, collide and then react. One description could be found in the novel.

This remained the standard anti-shipping device until MDE were introduced. Keep in mind the blast-yield is always meticulously limited to prevent unnecessary collateral damage, though it is possible to bypass it.

What you are referring to is data from the Varauta. Since Varauta technology was human, it is safe to assume the NUNS possessed similar technology (if not better).

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Old 2012-09-07, 15:55   Link #769
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Thanks for the details, Tak. Greatly help. I think I just need to read up translated stuff on Macross: The Ride.

I can't say the same for the light novels though.
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Old 2012-09-07, 17:40   Link #770
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The fact that a large amount of juicy technical details come from Macross 7 is something I find difficult-to-approach!!

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Old 2012-09-07, 18:12   Link #771
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At least now I wouldn't be stating screwed up stuff in my chapters...
"The government has given orders to use nukes!"
Reaction weaponry. Shame on me for not reading the kanji even though I have a Chinese background.
Anyways, thank you for helping. I can see our hate for Macross 7 is shared.

If you have the time, here is another question: the quantum cannon on the macross quarter seems to use antimatter when I see the blast trail, creating explosions even when not in contact with an enemy unit. Is it that it used antimatter?
I have to make sense of the stupid unexplained cannon or I may end up screwing my story again, cause if it is just a beam weaponry like the Battle series cannons...

Oh, and the MDE a have a blast radius of 50 km right?
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Old 2012-09-07, 20:37   Link #772
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If you have the time, here is another question: the quantum cannon on the macross quarter seems to use antimatter when I see the blast trail, creating explosions even when not in contact with an enemy unit. Is it that it used antimatter?
I have to make sense of the stupid unexplained cannon or I may end up screwing my story again, cause if it is just a beam weaponry like the Battle series cannons...

Oh, and the MDE a have a blast radius of 50 km right?
Since I am not even remotely close to being a certified physicist, I obviously cannot elaborate more than what the official sources tell me.

Keep in mind that anti-matter not only can be weaponized, but it could be utilized as an ultra-efficient energy source. Due to OT capable of maintaining energy reaction at a permanently plasma state, every Macross military machine is running on reactors very akin to that of a miniature sun.

Thus, at least the power source for all energy weapons in Macross derive from anti-matter/matter interaction.

The Dimension weaponry utilize Quantum Mechanics to force a dimension replacement (フォールド空間に強制的に遷移する) in a given area to create an effect similar to a blackhole, causing all matter to collapse within. The effect is enhanced by fold quartz, due to its ability to bypass fold faults (フォールド断層). Although this technology already exists. The Heavy Quantum Reaction Cannon (重量子反応砲) relied on the same principle, it shoots a straight line as opposed to an expanding sphere, but less powerful due to the lack of fold quartz.

Techno-babble, blah blah blah blah... etc. blah blah, やっ... あっ... アルト... お願い... やめないで... BURP, blah blah...

I would say what you got is a black-hole cannon or a dimension-shift gun, whichever you prefer.

Fold Quartz itself is nothing new. This item was already introduced in 2050 as indicated by the novelization of the PS game VFX-2, known as the Super-Dimension Resonance Crystal (超空間共振水晶体) at the time (and definitely sounds a lot cooler than Fold Quartz, pfft). Since the Vajra were engaged by the NUNS as early as 2040, this would make sense.

Acquired fold-quartz are then smashed into powder to enhance the power of quantum weaponry. The MDE is one such device adapted for tactical use (バジュラから採取したフォールド・クォーツの粉末を弾頭に封入した小型フォールド爆弾), with a controlled effective range of 50km. This technology is further adapted to the manufacturing of gunpod ammunition. By the end of Macross Frontier, every Valkyrie had dimension weapons. Moreover, since Fold Quartz affects fold space, it could possibly be used defensively.

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OTOH, mankind's most powerful weapon in the original SDF: Macross, the Grand Cannon, utilized gravity manipulation.

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Old 2012-09-08, 00:17   Link #773
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SDF uses gravity? Ok...
Dimensional resonance crystals? Ok I am going to use that name. Screw fold quartz.
Big mistake on my part for the grand cannon, but that also proves that humanity in macross does not screw around when it comes to weapons...(I only watched frontier four years ago and DYRL, sorry! :P)
About it able to be used defensively... It can probably nullify weapons that fire projectiles at you...
BTW, the Hiragana between techno babble in small font...
I can read it... And it sounds... Suggestive.

Translation by me: Ya... Ah... Alto... Please... Don't stop...
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Old 2012-09-08, 01:02   Link #774
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SDF uses gravity? Ok...
No, not the SDF. The Grand Cannon, which was an underground facility that housed a powerful weapon, used as a last resort against the Zentradi during Space War I (第一次星間大戦).

The SDF itself was actually nothing more than a gunship, and by no means the most powerful ship in the original. The Zentradi had millions just like it. Unfortunately, the operation theory behind the Macross cannon was never stated. Though I personally don't think its all that different from the Quantum Reaction Cannon of 2059.

The Zentradi invasion fleet (ゼントラーディ軍第118基幹艦隊) consisted of close to 5 million vessels. The first swipe of the cannon managed to down 800k, and wedged an opening that allowed the Macross & allied Zentradi forces (ゼントラーディ軍第67グリマル級分岐艦隊) to commence an assault against the Zentradi Mobile Fortress directly. In the process, Earth suffered massive destruction, the planet was disfigured forever, and 99% of humanity perished. Nonetheless, the destruction of the fortress scattered the rest of the Zentradi fleet across the galaxy. Even today, the NUNS would still encounter survivor remanents.

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Er... I know, just saying the grand cannon uses gravity. And,I know about the zentradi fleet and their power. The zentradi each had a as powerful gun, and they were merely just observing the humans at first thus didn't use it.
The grand cannon also saved people by acting as a emergency shelter when the invasion fleet came.
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The grand cannon also saved people by acting as a emergency shelter when the invasion fleet came.
Actually no, the entire facility collapsed, leaving no survivors, including Takashi Hayase, Misa's father.

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One more thing I need to ask. I saw that Sheryl has a mansion for her use in Island 1. Is that in the light novel?
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Actually no, the entire facility collapsed, leaving no survivors, including Takashi Hayase, Misa's father.

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Say what?
Ok I get it my memory fails me.

Tak-san, you seriously have this much time? I wonder if I will be bothering you, but this may just as well be my final question.
What size must a ship be if it were to be classified macross-class? I am thinking of making the main antagonist in my fanfic reverse-engineer macross ship slightly smaller than a quarter, but larger than 200 m across...
And, to my knowledge, energy conversion armor is only shown to be able to take damage upwards to but not limited to crashing into a building, right?
And... The final one.
What happens when we try to force-fold a ship into a region where there are fold faults? Will there be structural damage passing through one? If I am not wrong there should be no problems except speed of travel, yes?.
Note: if you have no time it is perfectly okay to ignore my questions, thanks for the help so far.
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One more thing I need to ask. I saw that Sheryl has a mansion for her use in Island 1. Is that in the light novel?
Sheryl has a lot of real estate, thats pretty much all I can say... We've never been given specifics of her finances. But seeing how she is rich enough to hire out an entire carrier task force...

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What size must a ship be if it were to be classified macross-class?
After the introduction of the Macross Quarter, I don't think a criteria aside from being able to transform while carrying a big gun, exist. I suppose you can have a Macross ten times smaller than the original and call it a Macross Fraction.

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to my knowledge, energy conversion armor is only shown to be able to take damage upwards to but not limited to crashing into a building, right?
Actually no. Buildings pose almost zero threat to Valkyries. In SDF, Hikaru crashed into a series of residential and commercial buildings, only to pick himself up, dust off the debris and went right back into the fight. Milia's Queadluun deliberately smashed through a section of Macross city while dueling Max and made her escape. In DYRL, a Zentradi Nousjadeul-Ger smacked into a dome head-first, flipped himself over, amused himself at the sight of men & women living together, then resumed battle. In Macross Plus, Guld's YF-21 rammed through an entire skyscraper in order to attack Isamu from behind. In Frontier, Ozma and a Red Vajra were pro-wrestling in the city of all places, throwing each other into entire structures. In the False Songtress, a Vajra went as far as zooming into a skyscraper from level one all the way to the top while chasing Alto.

In Macross 7, it was even revealed that Reaction armor can withstand the surface heat of the sun, and the technology only improves by the time of Frontier.

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What happens when we try to force-fold a ship into a region where there are fold faults? Will there be structural damage passing through one? If I am not wrong there should be no problems except speed of travel, yes?.
Fold Faults limit the speed of travel and the energy required to fold. Its a phenomenon that cannot be precisely calculated or detected. It simply exist as an obstacle.

Will there be structural damage? Well, last time I checked, its a major cause of accidents (especially if fold is commenced in a rush or emergency), with some resulting in entire fleet being swallowed.

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After the introduction of the Macross Quarter, I don't think a criteria aside from being able to transform while carrying a big gun, exist. I suppose you can have a Macross ten times smaller than the original and call it a Macross Fraction.



Actually no. Buildings pose almost zero threat to Valkyries. In SDF, Hikaru crashed into a series of residential and commercial buildings, only to pick himself up, dust off the debris and went right back into the fight. Milia's Queadluun deliberately smashed through a section of Macross city while dueling Max and made her escape. In Macross Plus, Guld's YF-21 rammed through an entire skyscraper in order to attack Isamu from behind. In Frontier... Ozma and the Red Vajra were having pro-wrestling in the city of all things, throwing each other into entire structures. In the False Songtress, a Vajra went as far as zooming into a skyscraper from level one all the way to the top while chasing Alto.

In Macross 7, it was even revealed that Reaction armor can withstand the surface heat of the sun, and the technology only improves by the time of Frontier.



Fold Faults limit the speed of travel and the energy required to fold. Its a phenomenon that cannot be precisely calculated or detected. It simply exist as an obstacle.

Will there be structural damage? Well, last time I checked, its a major cause of accidents (especially if fold is commenced in a rush or emergency), with some resulting in entire fleet being swallowed.

- Tak
Forgive my ignorance for having not watched Macross 7 (well I will never...).
Hm...

Macross Fraction... the concept is nice, so as long as it has a BFG... ok, will work on the name!
Fear the Macross Fraction! 40m across, Retractable BFG! 10 times the speed of the Macross Quarter, more maneuverable than a fighter, paint it red, three times the original speed!

Then again, with all that energy converting armor, VF-171s are still being shot down in a few strikes... I think I need to upgrade the normal militia... Thanks for the endurance info anyways.

And... disappointment ensures as I was planning on folding an entire itano circus of Reverse-engineered MDEs to the Frontier Fleet and making Frontier fold in emergency... but it seems too dangerous for the Frontier Fleet, unless I am trying to...

Ok, thanks for the info! Are you like, the self-assigned Q&A answerer around these parts?
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