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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 14 | |||
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 103 | 45.98% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent... | 58 | 25.89% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good... | 19 | 8.48% | |
7 out of 10 : Good... | 16 | 7.14% | |
6 out of 10 : Average... | 10 | 4.46% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average... | 1 | 0.45% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor... | 5 | 2.23% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad... | 3 | 1.34% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... | 1 | 0.45% | |
1 out of 10 : Tortuous... | 8 | 3.57% | |
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2012-10-08, 04:02 | Link #361 |
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Yeah, basically I think it was poetic license as well. The symbolism of him finding the strength to grab onto the IV and slowly push forward, all alone, with only one thing on his mind was, I think, what they were going for there. It's not necessarily realistic or accurate, but on a poetic level I thought it was pretty powerful.
But it's not like it's uncommon for there to be complaints whenever this sort of poetic license is used. Heck, I jokingly had one as well re: Episode 12. But they're basically a staple of almost all movies/TV shows/anime that have elements that look like they should be realistic. (This is why sometimes it's easier if your setting is even more fantastical, because then people are less likely to compare it to things they know in real life. )
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2012-10-08, 05:17 | Link #363 | |
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Before that point, there wasn't much need, because there's no way to use it until you get out anyway.
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2012-10-08, 05:22 | Link #364 | |
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Imagine being a member of a party where it could have been someone's fault. Imagine if Kayaba was really Simon Cowell in disguise, I would guess he would have already broadcast the footage and called it XMoments or something like that!
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2012-10-08, 05:24 | Link #365 |
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Well, I think that even mentioning the name will do Kirito (or this case, Kazuto) good simply because it will be easier to find Asuna now that he knows her name. Just go to whoever was supervising the entire incident (if there is) and inquire from that guy.
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2012-10-08, 06:56 | Link #366 | |
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Best episode ever. Now I'm really curious how they're gonna continue with this. By the way, are the dead people actually really brain dead like Kayaba confirmed, and Kirito/Asuna just got lucky with the final stretch? No more Sachi? Oh yeah, and Kirito better not forget his helmet. Your loli-daughter's in there man. Quote:
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2012-10-08, 07:07 | Link #367 | |||
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2012-10-08, 07:13 | Link #368 | |
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Even if the muscles are stimulated, muscle atrophy will gradually happen sooner or later, since it will not substitute perfectly normal human activity, not to mention that parenteral nutrition is really not going to supplement indefinitely protein needs for such long period of time, and it will also lead to various complication due to the gastric tract and all. It is a good thing they have shown Kazuto's apparent loss of weight and muscle, but past the muscle atrophy, he himself didn't move on his own for 2 damn years, which would require rehabilitation of several weeks or even months before he can even walk like that. I would be already impressed if he could CRAWL in such state, so my suspension of disbelief literally shattered with that scene. Frankly, this episode could deliver a noticeable emotional build up, but it is noticeable how evident it is to cover few things that are brushed off by the writing: like other members, color me absolutely not convinced by Asuna's meat shield scene and Kazuto ability to act despite his HP bar is already depleted. Really, the game is just a software that use brainwaves as input method, but it is simply similar to what we usually do with a pad. That is to say: I have no reason to believe "will" have any impact in such cold and calculating system (unlike Matrix), and absolutely nothing of such kind has been hinted before. Therefore, having Kayaba surprised by this outcome does absolutely not make that scene any legit: there was absolutely no logical reason or hints for that to happen, save the cliche "sacrifice" you could usually have. Likewise, I don't really mind the "10 second timegap", which was hinted by the resurrection item, but at least, I would have appreciated if the studio made it consistent, since we have way too often variable "pixel shattering" sequence duration in the whole show. It is just again a convenient way to show "how some characters are more worthy to have their last words, than others", which breaks again the consistency of the show. Another nitpicking point is that I would have liked a quick comment that how Kirito has no healing items anymore before engaging Kayaba, as if he still had some, it is just silly to see him rushing with barely half his hp. At least, the animation was above average compared to other episodes, which is a relief considering it is an important turning point in the series.
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-- Non serious corner... even though it's not (a corner) -- Oh, why... why did you remind me of that SAO meme....
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2012-10-08, 07:32 | Link #370 |
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If we can choose to believe they can do non-direct stimulus and reading of the nervous system to the point of being able to simulate reality, then we can also believe they managed to develop drugs and technology that counteract atrophy.
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2012-10-08, 07:39 | Link #371 | |||
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-Kirito's ability to move a bit can be understood since he didn't drink a full bottle of that water, and even Kuradeel mentioned the effect will wear off at some point. It is completely different here as Kayaba used a admin privilege to force a paralysis state on everyone except Kirito. -Yui is an AI, to which I can remotely understand that fake emotions can be engineered at some point in the future, it doesn't collerate with "will bending the rules of a game". -Asuna's dashing isn't "that" surprising or game breaking, unless the anime failed to show/describe it. Griselda ghost is a point I also got a gripe with, and I guess it is just your cliche used there like any regular series. Quote:
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And even if the atrophy is limited, rehabilitation is a non skippable step that would require such a long time that having someone like Kazuto walking like that is just plain impossible.
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2012-10-08, 07:57 | Link #372 | |
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- Okay, compute it like this: They walk through the 55th floor(?) fields (or dungeon I forgot), until they had to rest due to stamina. Consider how far they've walk -- probably 5 kilometers worth. Asuna was able to dash from HQ until there in a short time..? I don't think anyone... not even Heathcliff ... can do that. On the novels it's pretty blantant, so I guess we should blame A-1 then? Spoiler for Vol 1 -- cut out detail from (too lazy to write Ep 10 or so title) - see above:
IMO, it's like the previous battle in the Arena (in ep 10 or so). Direct hits will kill you.
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2012-10-08, 08:08 | Link #373 | |
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Anyway we are in the realms of AI which we still can't do in RL yet, and in anime land GITS is kinda a norm
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Again, the author was shown a bit fuzzy with his explanations and had to pull a drama over a rogue AI, and I suspect it was something not planned until after SAO arc was done since it was introduced in a short story, according to LN readers. It is even more noticeable when we have -physical in-game- GM interface which shouldn't even happen to begin with. Quote:
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They were basically attacking each other and aiming for the kill, whereas in the arena, it was the duel system, with the 50%hp or clean hit victory condition.
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2012-10-08, 08:24 | Link #375 | |
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2012-10-08, 08:33 | Link #376 |
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I did realize that Kayaba got his HP reduced (thinking it was due to lifting his immortal status), but with the absolute absence of explanations from him or numerical value that literally disappeared ever since episode 3-4 (can't remember), it is absolutely impossible to conclude with the anime alone than a single hit would be game over for any of them, especially that HP bar should never be counted by the %/appearance but by their current/MAX respective value, especially with a game that involve obvious difference in term of stats.
Oh well, another "compliment" for the studio. Side note: it makes Kuradeel stabs even weaker than it already look
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2012-10-08, 10:07 | Link #378 |
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Lol...
I think this episode had the biggest asspull/deus ex machina since Guilty Crown. It puts that "Yui" episode to shame really on that scale. At this point, it's just hilarious rather than infuriating but unlike GC at least Kirito and Asuna are more bearable than Shu and Inori as characters. The plot and the directions it takes however, are just as bad as GC if not worse. At this point I'm done with this series. 2 collosal asspulls within 3 episodes of each other is way too much for me for a series that already had questionable directions to begin with (aside from its opening 2 episodes) To those enjoy it and its source, good luck and have fun. I don't want to suffer through a "second Guilty Crown" if possible |
2012-10-08, 10:39 | Link #379 |
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While I still find the "deus ex machina" thing in this episode debatable, I do not recall any deus ex machina from the Yui episodes. You probably mean the part where she pulled out the GM sword. Which was explicitly stated to be an item granted by her admin rights. To call something a Deus Ex Machina, it has to come from nowhere with little explanation. Which is why I call the Deus Ex Machina status of the current issue "debatable" since things weren't fully explained.
Anyway, and this is an honest question. Is it really that far fetched of a theory that Kayaba intentionally left some things "open" to be influenced by "willpower" to allow himself to be surprised by the unexpected? I mean, in the end it's still just brain activity which can be measured. |
2012-10-08, 10:49 | Link #380 | |
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