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1 and 2 are kinda contradicting the red text unless you assume Beato IS a bomb or a landslide... i get where it comes from, and it's kinda logical but still... DO NOT WANT. i was personally going for the landslide theory, but it's only because of my lack of better ideas. |
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2009-10-06, 06:59 | Link #3583 |
別にいいけど
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: forever lost inside a logic error
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I wonder if there's a trick in the definition of "kill". Since Battler also said "I will kill you", I wonder if this story will really end with Battler committing a real murder, even for legitimate defense it sounds wrong.
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2009-10-06, 07:30 | Link #3584 |
Solve me...
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Oh em gee. I just realised something.
Battler could not remember his sin. However, after 6th October he managed to remember it. You are all alone on this island. And of course, I am not you. However, I am here now, and I will kill you. I just realised that "now" implies that time is in the picture. It could probably mean that "Beatrice" was not with Battler, however now she was. Going along these lines, it seems as if Battler found out his sin and this new discovery allows "beatrice" to claim to be with Battler here. It seems to imply that Beatrice = Battler's sin. Battler realises his sin. His sin leaves him so devastated that "it" kills him. Now this leaves me to think of something, Battler realizes his sin at the end of chapter 1, 2 and 4. This sin triggered certain unknown reactions from Battler, causing the massacre of survivors on the island and eventually his own life. I did remember Beatrice said his sin led to the death of many people on the island in red. But she didnt state when, was it possible that this sin that Battler realised, killed everyone after the second day?
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2009-10-06, 07:39 | Link #3586 |
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Same with the final red truth.
You are all alone on this island. And of course, I am not you. However, I am here now, and I will kill you. I am not you. So Battler didnt kill himself. Ryukishi might have personified Battler's sin as Beatrice. And this sin is called Beatrice. Like how cyclones have names. A cyclone hit Myanmar. Nargis hit Myanmar. So i wouldnt be surprised if Beatrice simply states in red that "Beatrice killed everyone". Word-play wise ... it sorts of work hah.
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2009-10-06, 07:42 | Link #3587 |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Quite farfetched -- but you still need to explain nanjo's death, because none of the 3 that were left alive had anything to do with Nanjo's murder, their body physically aren't involved in such murder however a man standing in front of Nanjo reading a weapon killed Nanjo.
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2009-10-06, 11:02 | Link #3591 | |
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Join Date: Sep 2009
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2009-10-06, 14:10 | Link #3592 |
Dea ex Kakera
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Sea of Fragments
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Oh, wait a sec. Here's an idea.
Someone pointed out before that when Beato gave out that last bit of red text, she said "Watashi wa dare?" instead of "Warawa wa dare?" Now that I think about it, it sounds more and more like a standard children's riddle construction. Eva (Rosa?) said something similar about the epitaph, that it was just a childish riddle and they'd been overthinking it the whole time. So if we look at it that way... How about time? We don't really even know that Battler died before leaving the island. The only red that suggests otherwise is "None escape, all die," but that's already contradicted by Eva in Episode 3, so it seems like we might be misinterpreting that somehow. All Beato said at the end was that "After this point in time, I will kill you." From that perspective, it starts to look more like a last desperate misdirection than a weird murder. |
2009-10-06, 16:34 | Link #3598 |
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there was also a theory that beato is law. (he was missing for 7 years and became dead.)
doesn't explain why he goes missing, it's not like he has a reason to hide or got abducted by aliens. i think when solving this particular red text, the question isn't only "what happens to Battler" (in EP4), it's "what happens to people who survive" (in all EPs). the situation is pretty much the same, and they always go missing - if you explan one you can also explain the other. i bet it's the same thing in every chapter. (hell, they even meet beatrice [die?] every time in the same place) and if people get off the island they're listed as survivors in the credits. same if they go missing. if the credits say he's dead, he probably is. |
2009-10-08, 00:01 | Link #3600 |
Sasaki-ist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Age: 37
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I was replaying the last Battler-Beato confrontation in order to make sure of some of the phrasing (I thought there might have been a loophole in Beato not saying when she would kill Battler, but she specified "now" a few lines before what has already been quoted), and noticed something about the red concerning the First Twilight of the second game...
Spoiler for Second Game, First Twilight:
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