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And the term "must-watch" and all similar formulations give me rashes. But from what you're writing I now learn I don't really know anything about "School Days" and my respect for the show just dropped immensely. If the audience wasn't invited to self-insert themselves into Makoto like usually but on the contrary to hate him beforehand then why the trauma over his violent death I wonder ...
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2009-08-18, 08:10 | Link #42 |
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To voice a certain percentage of anime community, i'm here a person who haven't even watched a single episode of SD, hate it with all my guts (thank to the power of internet), love every criticism people can throw in so no one would dare bring its plot up again and we could avoid a future World War 3.... Financial Global Crisis.... disaster.
About the meme, yeah i uses it sometime too. I don't think it's such a problem because to me "Nice Boat" hold a negative "what-a-joke" aura About respect for the show(except the ending)? Be sincere to everyone(include SD fan that one of my friend is), it's like asking me the same question about Polpot
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2009-08-18, 12:03 | Link #44 |
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They hate the hype about it or it's popularity, not the anime(even if they say it otherwise). Without seeing it it can't be hated only the things associated with it.
And I liked School Days because it dared to differ from most of the typical rom-com series. We have our classical indecissive protagonist trapped in a love triangle. The only difference there's no overly high morals forthe protagonist nor artifical interruptions to hamper the developments. And that's what happens in the worst case scenario. |
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There should be absolutely no reason to hate an anime based on reviews or other "external information" without ever watching the show. Quote:
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I don't believe that it is an "exceptionally bad and callous harem school romance" at all, but it was rather good. Without episode 14, I would've probably given the anime a good score. And there was never a sense of "justice" when I finished the show. That is, once again, something blown into proportions by polls and memes. School Days was beautifully directed and Makoto is an excellent character. To make us hate him is to do have done his job, and he did just that. It makes me care about the characters, all of them, and what happens to them. In a "usual" harem (I don't like them either), I really don't care who will win. School Days draws me into its plot and more importantly, made me take sides. That's why I still consider certain episodes of School Days to be some of the best out of all romance drama anime. But perhaps what made sense the most from Irenicus' post is: Quote:
I still completely 100% agree with this statement.
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2009-08-18, 13:24 | Link #49 |
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Only one thing; Instead of being a two-dimensional geometric figure, it's more of a three-dimensional figure, like a love pyramid or a love cube; Too much shit was going on, it made even the dumbest of soap operas look like simple two-person puppy love...
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2009-08-18, 13:25 | Link #50 | |
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It was made so that his death would seem like a bad thing, but I don't think making everyone hate him beforehand contradicted that, as Slice of Life claims. On the contrary, didn't it show that death isn't a good thing even for bad people?
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2009-08-18, 13:33 | Link #51 | |
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Anyways, I think "nice boat" is overused too. According to the Urban Dictonary it even means simply "extremely gruesome scene" now too. Not just yandere bad ends. It shows how powerfull was the show's effect. Sometimes I wonder what could've happened if they air the last episode at the usual time and the "boat filler" never exists. Would it be still as powerfull as a meme? What kind of name would it have? Kotonoha job? School daysd? |
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2009-08-18, 15:45 | Link #55 | |
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I noticed that everybody hated him but there are people who were always hated and people who were always hated only after the shit hits the fan if you catch my drift. And do we need to have that discussion again? You're not enlightened enough yet to talk bad about my animu? You can trash a show you have never watched as well as you can hype a show you've never watched. And everybody else can ignore it if they want. I wish people were so protective about human beings as they are about anime series ...
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2009-08-18, 15:56 | Link #56 |
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So you have a list of people where everything they say are automatically correct and wise? That's cute, because it seems like inverse ad hominem.
Hype before a show airs is different from trashing a show you know nothing about. For example, if you trash an anime that hasn't aired yet, no one really cares, because everyone is on the same blank page. I don't even know how enlightenment comes into the discussion. And no, people cannot ignore it if they want. It's like a lawyer making some irrelevant emotional appeal then the judge says to ignore that comment. But the jury obviously won't.
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Besides, Irenicus merely stated reasons why he didn't watch it. Exactly how much am I supposed to censor my thoughts because somebody might draw whatever conclusions from it?
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2009-08-18, 16:50 | Link #58 |
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Wait, hyping after something starts airing without watching it? I've been watching anime for so long and this...has never happened.
But that's okay, thanks for making realize that I'm defending School Days. I just want all who reads this thread to know that I do respect it and that I believe it deserves its influence.
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2009-08-18, 18:43 | Link #59 |
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Well, I watched some videos on the game, and I liked what I saw. The "bad ends" are really just the exception and the majority of the endings make sense.
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2009-08-18, 19:00 | Link #60 |
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School Days did what Star Wars ep I-III should have done. It gave us a protagonist who we could initially like and then proceeded to twist and warp the character to the point where he was more than just a villian but the focal point of the audiences' hatred. People don't hate Makoto for poor character growth or sloppy execution by the production team, rather they despise that character for successfully evolving into something that most us of revile.
There are very few stories in literature and visual media that successfully accomplishes what School Days did. That why I tend to hold School Days in high regards among the romances and harem shows. |
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