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I can accept the theory about the location, as it does look very similar, but it seems to me that the pattern/style isn't so unusual that there could be another location with the same pattern (or, in other words: lazy texture artists). That being said, it does seem the most likely, given that it looks similar to locations already seen (and it's logical to default to that over assuming some previously unseen location, despite the fact that the episode ends with Hiromi heading off to another town). Edit: I suppose one theory could be that the episode begins some time (a day?) after the end of the previous episode, with Hiromi returning home after being gone with Jun without explanation. That could explain the cops, Shinichirou's mother's change of outfit, and why Shinichirou is so upset at Jun (presuming they don't tell us right away what happened -- he might assume that Jun took advantage of her). That would still allow for the scene to take place back at the house with the mother, allow for the change of clothes, explain why she might be willing to let the mother talk to her like that, and still not diminish the impact of her decision to run off arbitrarily. A possibility? |
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2008-02-24, 03:13 | Link #83 | |
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It's also more probable that the location is Hiromi's room than some unknown place she might get to or Jun's house because of the walls and green carpeting with black lines. Well, I guess it's natural for most people to want to defend their inital position. I just wanted to explore the possibility that the preview clip was intentionally misleading coming after what happened at the end of the episode but most people fell for it hook, line and sinker. Then they proceeded to defend it vigorously, which is fine but try to give a good reason why it's going to happen as suggested by the preview instead of resisting viable alternatives that make sense. Last edited by cloudninja; 2008-02-24 at 04:10. |
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2008-02-24, 03:16 | Link #84 | |
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2008-02-24, 05:27 | Link #85 | |
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2008-02-24, 11:48 | Link #86 |
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the person with the red shirt could be noe's coat as seen her...
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2008-02-24, 12:49 | Link #87 | |
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Edit: Here you go, I went to the trouble finding a screenshot of Jun and Hiromi. Look at how much taller Jun is compared to Hiromi while standing side-by-side. Then look at the ep 9 preview pic to see that the person wearing red is only slightly taller while also stand next to her. Cloudninja, hope you don't mind if I borrowed the 2nd pic from your gallery as it helps you prove your point that it's not Jun. First pic of Hiromi standing next to Jun, he's a lot taller and bigger than her Spoiler for Hiromi standing next to Jun:
Second pic borrowed with thanks to cloudninja of preview pic where Hiromi is shown undressing. The person in red is only slightly taller than Hiromi, almost the same height. Spoiler for preview pic from ep 9:
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2008-02-24, 13:01 | Link #88 | ||
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Basically, I get the impression that both you and golthin felt exasperated by my attempt to test your theories. This is the only way I know to truly understand something -- I need to be able to explain it myself, inside and out. I am not at all closed minded to other options, nor am I at all interested "I told you so" games. This isn't about being "right", it's about understanding what the most probable theory is, and why. At this time, I would say that your theory is the most probable based on the evidence and on the corollary theories proposed. So, as a result of our discussion, I will consider that we all "won" if this theory pans out, because we talked about it were able to understand each other's points of view. I'm here to learn, not to "preach". |
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2008-02-24, 14:06 | Link #89 |
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it has to be noe, cause who else have that kind of shirt. Plus hiromi isn't that stupid to take her frustration to jun. And it can't be shin's mom because she doesn't wear that kind of clothes. But I still could be wrong. Also about noe shorter than hiromi is that the view could be from a diagnol side.
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2008-02-24, 14:19 | Link #90 | |
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2008-02-24, 14:48 | Link #91 |
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I was going to post some caps showing that Hiromi was 90% likely to be taking her shirt off in her own room, but cloudninja posted them for me. It is almost certain that that is her room, with the latticed walls and tatami (not carpet) floor.
The shirt is not as purple as Jun's shirt, even in ep2, where it is less purple. It could be the sweater in the flashback, or some dressing gown, but in any case there is really no other candidate we know of that could be in Hiromi's room than Shin's mother. I say 90% because it's barely possible that the upstairs at Noe and Jun's house had tatami floors and latticed walls, and Noe's coat is that color, but I'm satisfied that it is Hiromi's room, myself. Spoiler for ep9 preview:
However, if she was desperate for something that would keep Hiromi away from her beloved son, she might have stooped to that, in the knowledge that Hiromi wouldn't tell anyone else. Probably someone else made this point before. I apologize for discounting it. I still think the sibling thing might well be true, but at least now I see the real possibility that it is false. In any case, Hiromi's mother clearly did something to attract Shin's father's affection, and hurt Shin's mother. Whether they actually made love, or whether they did it at a time that would allow Hiromi to be their daughter, I don't know. The printed preview suggests that in ep9 Shin's mother says more about the situation.
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2008-02-24, 20:19 | Link #92 | |
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Here is a more interesting theory that the person standing behind Hiromi is in fact Shin. (Shin might get laid in the end of the next episode ) If you didn't notice Shin has a baggy-like orange/red shirt (Jun is too slim and never wore anything that baggy) and on top of that jaisrh's height comparison also supports my claim since Shin is just slightly taller than Hiromi. Last edited by Goodwin999; 2008-02-24 at 21:23. |
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2008-02-25, 01:18 | Link #93 | |
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Ughhh...This series really has many flame wars...I don't wanna get flamed but I'll give my thoughts...Baseless or with evidence...whatever..
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This series... is really a surprise for me...I think this will be a classic... Whatever happens I'll stick to find out...
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2008-02-29, 17:12 | Link #95 |
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Who knows, perhaps Noe's terminal illness and untimely demise will generate True Tears from Shin and open the road for Hiromi.
So far this show has been a textbook Asian drama, so such a development would hardly be a shocker. It would confirm Noe's status as Shin's "angel" and Hiromi's as Shin's eventual love interest. |
2008-02-29, 18:32 | Link #96 | |
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You're bluffing... |
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2008-02-29, 20:05 | Link #97 | |
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2008-02-29, 21:56 | Link #98 |
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Well, that may be, but is it seriously common in those soap operas for them to pull this sort of a plot device in the middle of nowhere for no good reason and with not so much of a prior hint of a problem? One would expect that these sorts of things would be woven into the fabric of the story, and not just randomly sprung upon the viewers right before the end. This anime in particular I feel has been pretty good about ensuring that the actions, reactions, and plot devices have been consistent with the theme, motivations, and overall drive of the show. That's why I had to assume that he was bluffing (and, it sounds like, in a sense, that may sort of be what that was).
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2008-02-29, 22:30 | Link #99 |
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I have only watched two of those and in both there was a person that died from a deadly illness. So going by what I have watched and by what other people say, that plot Device is a "MUST". It is not only in Oriental soap operas, Many american and hispanics soap opera used that plot device.
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