Fate/Zero - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[Goddess Madoka]

Originally Posted by jonli

Come to think of it, does Kiritsugu even have a plan against Lancer? Clearly he is no match for someone who can block bullets with a spear.

Doubtful. Even with double acceleration, Kiritsugu probably doesn't stand a chance against Lancer (fastest servant in terms of speed).

[KyriaL]

Respect for rider has risen, undoubtedly, especially after his usual honorable mannerisms and speeches, not to mention simple tactics that seemed effective. But somehow i expected they would show at least a glance of the bloody scene, guess I was wrong.

[jeroz]

I will assume that it would take a mad artist to picture what the furniture will look like....

it's one thing to describe it vaguely in words, it's another level to portray it visually in a grotesque manner. I wonder who in Ufotable will take up the responsibility to come up with the look...

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Stiletto

I've no clue who Danius the 3rd is. My history is horrible, and all I have to say for bill Clinton is he did not have sexual relations with that servant.

Darius the Third is the last Persian emperor of the Achaemenid empire founded by Cyrus the Great. Defeated by Alexander the Great, Darius' defeat put an end to the tension between Greece and Persia, where you could have a glimpse of it in the movie 300.

[jeroz]

Man, love how the episode shows the 3 different relationships between the master and servant.

You get the shattered "love triangle" one in the Lancer group
the unsteady "cold war" within the Saber group
and finished up with the awesome dynamics between Waver and Rider.

[abc0716]

Quite a decent episode with Lancer's backstory and Rider + Waver's segment.

Not really have idea about the things inside Caster's 'lair', probably will rewatch this episode to find them out.

[giorno]

Originally Posted by Goddess Madoka

Doubtful. Even with double acceleration, Kiritsugu probably doesn't stand a chance against Lancer (fastest servant in terms of speed).

it's not doubtful, kiritsugu doesn't stand a chance, period. Even assassin would make short work of him. He obviously doesn't plan on dealing with lancer at all, he's gonna wait until lancer and kayneth are separated...

also, i find it amusing how everyone's hating Sola because of what she did to kayneth, while ignoring the fact that it is the most sensible thing a person in her shoes could do. Kayneth is freaking paralyzed and can't use magecraft any more, he's dead weight, and Sola is risking her life in the war, just like any other. Would you leave your safety in the hands of a powerless cripple? Kayneth could have just handed the CS over and there would have been no need to twist his finger...

[Kanon]

Rider is just way too awesome. A manly man with a heart of gold and tremendous wisdom. He's completely overshadowing the other servants to me. I'm glad Waver "stole him" from Kayneth~ even the two of them are so different, I can't imagine Rider would have gotten along with any other master as well as he does with Waver.

The Lancer-Sola-Kayneth triangle is interesting. Sola turned to be more of a bitch than I thought. What she did to Kayneth was downright cruel, especially since it's obvious she has intention of using the grail to heal him. Lancer, on the other hand, intends to keep faithfully serving his master. Let's say Sola and him manage to win the war: what happens if his wish is in contradiction with Sola's? Does the master's wish take precedence over that of his servant? I've always wondered about that.

I'm surprised so few people commented on the next episode preview. It's a Rin episode! Rin! Loli Rin! I didn't expect to see her again in the series. Can't wait to see what kind of role she's going to play.

[fedor mma]

Another great episode, especially the flashback, looks like a trailer from a show of its own. Hint hint. Except Team Caster ,team Rider, and team Assassin, all of the teams can't get along with each other.

Originally Posted by jonli

Come to think of it, does Kiritsugu even have a plan against Lancer? Clearly he is no match for someone who can block bullets with a spear.

His plan would have been to roll into a ball and die. Seriously though, his job is to take out Masters not Servants

[~Yami~]

Lancer's past..... and Rider's in action....
maybe Diarmund, Alexander, and Arthuria are my favourite servants... the rest are sick!... xD
it's not a very serious episode... but truly important..

next, we will see Rin's adventure in Fuyuki.... lol

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Rider is just way too awesome. A manly man with a heart of gold and tremendous wisdom. He's completely overshadowing the other servants to me. I'm glad Waver "stole him" from Kayneth~ even the two of them are so different, I can't imagine Rider would have gotten along with any other master as well as he does with Waver.

I think if Kayneth had summoned Rider, he wouldn't have any Command Spells for Sola to take.

The Lancer-Sola-Kayneth triangle is interesting. Sola turned to be more of a bitch than I thought. What she did to Kayneth was downright cruel, especially since it's obvious she has intention of using the grail to heal him. Lancer, on the other hand, intends to keep faithfully serving his master. Let's say Sola and him manage to win the war: what happens if his wish is in contradiction with Sola's? Does the master's wish take precedence over that of his servant? I've always wondered about that.

I don't think her wish has anything to do with Kayneth anymore. Or if it does, it won't in time. Lancer's curse will twist her more from who she was before the war.

Poor Kayneth.

I'm surprised so few people commented on the next episode preview. It's a Rin episode! Rin! Loli Rin! I didn't expect to see her again in the series. Can't wait to see what kind of role she's going to play.

Actually, quite a few people did comment on it. But I too am surprised that we are going to see her again. I guess after the last few episodes, a hnngghhh cute episode will put some life back into us, haha.

[Goddess Madoka]

Originally Posted by giorno

it's not doubtful, kiritsugu doesn't stand a chance, period. Even assassin would make short work of him. He obviously doesn't plan on dealing with lancer at all, he's gonna wait until lancer and kayneth are separated...

also, i find it amusing how everyone's hating Sola because of what she did to kayneth, while ignoring the fact that it is the most sensible thing a person in her shoes could do. Kayneth is freaking paralyzed and can't use magecraft any more, he's dead weight, and Sola is risking her life in the war, just like any other. Would you leave your safety in the hands of a powerless cripple? Kayneth could have just handed the CS over and there would have been no need to twist his finger...

Probably doesn't help the way her intentions are depicted. While it indeed is sensible, the reasons aren't exactly favorable for Kayneth... I mean, it's kinda kicking the dog.
Sure, he may have been a bastard to Waver, a cocky-asshole to probably everyone else, but he truly loves Sola. (and for that matter, he seems to only treat her nicely)

Pet the dog, man... Pet the dog.

[klare]

i dont think Sola is serious about healing her husband, she must have other motives

now another group found out about assassin not dead, they should complain to the church about secretly helping Kirei

the relationship between Saber and Kiritsugu looks like the worst among all masters and servants

[jonli]

Originally Posted by giorno

it's not doubtful, kiritsugu doesn't stand a chance, period. Even assassin would make short work of him. He obviously doesn't plan on dealing with lancer at all, he's gonna wait until lancer and kayneth are separated...

also, i find it amusing how everyone's hating Sola because of what she did to kayneth, while ignoring the fact that it is the most sensible thing a person in her shoes could do. Kayneth is freaking paralyzed and can't use magecraft any more, he's dead weight, and Sola is risking her life in the war, just like any other. Would you leave your safety in the hands of a powerless cripple? Kayneth could have just handed the CS over and there would have been no need to twist his finger...

It's not what Sola did, it's how she did it that's bitch like. You could say that if she wasn't so extreme, Kayneth would never give her the seals, but honestly he is your husband. He is in a confused and desperate state, you could show a little support and be a little less fake. Add a little more effort in assuring Kayneth's comfort so that he could give you the seal without threatening him.

What she did increased their chances of victory, but it doesn't mean that people won't frown upon it.

As for Kiritsugu, he's got balls to be going after Kayneth. I mean if I'm Kiritsugu I'd expect Kayneth to be under heavy guard and protection from Lancer. It seems like transferring command seals is not an uncommon practice, wouldn't Kiritsugu at least be a little bit worried that Lancer might have a fresh master now?

EDIT: Sola's motives are pretty obvious. Get the Grail, let Lancer stay with her forever, then have fun playing mana-wrestling.

[Goddess Madoka]

Originally Posted by jonli

EDIT: Sola's motives are pretty obvious. Get the Grail, let Lancer stay with her forever, then have fun playing mana-wrestling.

This. I think I'm gonna die from laughter.

[Endscape]

As usual Rider and Waver's antics dominated the episode, those two really are the best Master and Servant combo in the Grail War.

I was looking forward to seeing Caster's handiwork but I suppose no censor would have let that through after all, shouldn't have gotten my hopes up.

Sola, Lancer and Kayneth... as the saying goes, being Lancer is suffering. The sad part is I'm sure that Lancer realizes that it's going the same way as before, but he can't do a thing about it.

Anyway, looking forward to seeing Rin next week.

[Sheba]

I think Kiritsugu is rushing for the kill because of Kotomine Kirei. The faster he can get it done with Lancer Team, the faster Saber will get her curse lifted, therefore the more his team will be able to stand against who he think is his worst enemy.

[Vicious108]

Originally Posted by giorno

also, i find it amusing how everyone's hating Sola because of what she did to kayneth, while ignoring the fact that it is the most sensible thing a person in her shoes could do. Kayneth is freaking paralyzed and can't use magecraft any more, he's dead weight, and Sola is risking her life in the war, just like any other. Would you leave your safety in the hands of a powerless cripple? Kayneth could have just handed the CS over and there would have been no need to twist his finger...

Yep, perfectly sensible for a wife to strap her crippled husband to a bed and torture him as soon as he wakes up after he'd just lost everything he'd ever lived for. Sola is a complete role model for sure.

Originally Posted by Sheba

I think Kiritsugu is rushing for the kill because of Kotomine Kirei. The faster he can get it done with Lancer Team, the faster Saber will get her curse lifted, therefore the more his team will be able to stand against who he think is his worst enemy.

Yes, that's likely part of the reason why he was so pissed at Saber. Not only did she ruin his very effective strategy, she did it when the entire reason Kiritsugu used said strategy was to free her curse, which she got on her own through her own incompetence. He sacrificed a portion of his freaking ribs to get her arm back to normal, and she repays him by betraying his trust and trusting an enemy Servant with his life instead? Kiritsugu really must be cursing himself for not having gotten a Servant like Assassin instead.

[FlareKnight]

Have to say good on Rider for trying to keep Waver from having to see all that. He was right that it would just be too much to bear. For a kid like that to see what I imagine would be a horrifying scene it would be terrible. They did get to find out about Assassin so that's one less group being fooled.

The cold war continues. Really thinking they should have dumped the relic summoning and just let the Grail pick. Since that way would have gotten a servant more fitting with Kiritsugu's personality. Though can imagine who he might have gotten normally . Right now these two are seriously going to snap with their different thinking. Kiritsugu is going to try and kill Kayneth while Saber wants to stop Caster. Kiritsugu is willing to sacrifice however many children are going to die until they stop Lancer and Saber can go at 100% and obviously Saber isn't willing to make those levels of sacrifice. Good thing he saved up those command spells since he's going to need every last one.

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

I think if Kayneth had summoned Rider, he wouldn't have any Command Spells for Sola to take.

I don't think her wish has anything to do with Kayneth anymore. Or if it does, it won't in time. Lancer's curse will twist her more from who she was before the war.

Poor Kayneth.

You could say poor everyone. Lancer can't ever avoid these situations no matter how much he simply wants to be a loyal knight. Never sought these kinds of things out and yet that power just brings him more trouble and tragedy. Now all he can do is try to avoid the worst scenario while staying loyal and fighting to restore Kayneth.

Of course there is that sympanty for Kayneth even if he wasn't a great guy. He's down for the count and his only hope is that his wife will still use the Grail (if by some miracle they can win) to heal him. Considering she was breaking fingers and threatening a severed arm to get the command spells....the odds aren't good.

What he might not get is that Lancer really doesn't have a need for the grail. He just wants to have that experience of faithfully serving one lord to the end. Of course just his luck that he ends up with a master who has a wife who is so directly involved with the war and thus is in close proximity.

[Malkuth]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

I think if Kayneth had summoned Rider, he wouldn't have any Command Spells for Sola to take.

Should he had summoned Alexander, Sola wouldn't want the command spells in the first place