US Elections 2008 (OT)

[Synria_]

Down with obama... an advocate for socialism. Redistribution of wealth follows the footsteps of Soviet Russia and China. Punishing workers for their hard earned money to help out with welfare and druggies. People voting for obama expect checks in the mail, I congratulate obama for buying your vote.

This is how Hitler and Mao Ze Dong came into power. Amazing..

[Vexx]

well, that was pointless and misleading as well as intrinsically irrelevant, quite funny

[Cherudim Arche]

Originally Posted by Synria_

Down with obama... an advocate for socialism. Redistribution of wealth follows the footsteps of Soviet Russia and China. Punishing workers for their hard earned money to help out with welfare and druggies. People voting for obama expect checks in the mail, I congratulate obama for buying your vote.

Socialism isn't that bad, sure you give out money to other groups, but in the situation right know, taxation is inevitable regardless of the way it gets channeled.

[Vexx]

Stalin and Mao are dead.... I don't think they let you sit under their crypt.

[mg1942]

Uncle Joe and Chairman do no represent socialism.

[Synria_]

Originally Posted by Vexx

Stalin and Mao are dead.... I don't think they let you sit under their crypt.

We have a guy saying socialism is NOT bad. Basically saying that the methods Stalin, Mao, and Hitler used is OK. I am NOT talking about the people, I am talking about the IDEALOGY they represent. He is actually OK with turning a democratic/capitalist nation into socialism.

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so·cial·ism /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
Compare utopian socialism.

[Origin: 1830–40; social + -ism]
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[Vexx]

We have a guy saying socialism is NOT bad. Basically saying that the methods Stalin, Mao, and Hitler used is OK. I am NOT talking about the people, I am talking about the IDEALOGY they represent. He is actually OK with turning a democratic/capitalist nation into socialism.

And I'm treating with all the seriousness you deserve because you really have no idea what the policies being presented are. You're just throwing a label that I'm not sure you even understand what it means. One that doesn't even apply to communism (which is what Stalin and Mao refer to). Socialism is better represented by most of the western countries of Europe, our allies.

Perhaps you'd like to present information on why fascism is a better choice since you're using extreme terms?

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Synria_

We have a guy saying socialism is NOT bad. Basically saying that the methods Stalin, Mao, and Hitler used is OK. I am NOT talking about the people, I am talking about the IDEALOGY they represent. He is actually OK with turning a democratic/capitalist nation into socialism.

Stalin, Mao, and Hitler were never Socialist. In fact, Hitler routinely killed Socialists (so did Mussolini). That being said, there is nothing "IDEALOGICALLY" wrong with Socialism, rather there are people that can pervert the philosophy into a totalitarian regime (this can be done with any governmental philosophy, case and point the neo-cons desire for complete control). Socialism exists as an ideal, a utopian society in which everyone is happy, and everything is solvable by the will of the people. The problem with Socialism is the fact that it is extremely hard to correlate with the actual world due to human desires.

[Cherudim Arche]

Originally Posted by Synria_

We have a guy saying socialism is NOT bad. Basically saying that the methods Stalin, Mao, and Hitler used is OK. I am NOT talking about the people, I am talking about the IDEALOGY they represent. He is actually OK with turning a democratic/capitalist nation into socialism.

It is one thing with the ideology, sure the representation is not good in democratic standard. In the current situation, how would capitalism far any better due to the global recession or disorder.

[Synria_]

Originally Posted by Dynames/ Virtue

It is one thing with the ideology, sure the representation is not good in democratic standard. In the current situation, how would capitalism far any better due to the global recession or disorder.

How about creating more jobs and making people work for their money. Unless you follow Obama, raise taxes and just hand money to people. I work to live the lifestyle I have and anyone that saves money would get pissed if the government took their money to give it to people on welfare (any more than they already are).

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Synria_

How about creating more jobs and making people work for their money. Unless you follow Obama, raise taxes and just hand money to people. I work to live the lifestyle I have and anyone that saves money would get pissed if the government took their money to give it to people on welfare (any more than they already are).

Obama is not a socialist (in his own book, in The Audacity of Hope, Obama talks a lot about how much he admires investment bankers, how much he likes bankers, etc ), and to even consider him to be a socialist is to misunderstand how socialism works, and to clearly ignore all the strong Capitalistic characteristics of Obama's tax plans, etc (free market capitalism does have the potential to create jobs, but the current system is not true capitalism, it is money hording to the worst extreme that is literally destroying this country). If you want to diss Obama because of his tentative past connections, or because he supports "Democratic" beliefs (pro-choice, gay rights, etc), I would then argue with you concerning why you believe these points, or why they shape your vote. But, instead, you choice the one thing that does not matter, nor is it even possibly true. McCain himself even said that Obama was not a Socialist. I make over $250, 000 a year (kind of), and I know I will pay extra taxes under Obama (I think so, at least, I better check with an accountant), yet I still voted for him because I believe in his basic message, and am more than willing to help those less fortunate than me. Please review Obama's policies before you mislabel him...then again, I expect that you are just being facetious and all of these posts are fake and you are just trying to cause trouble .

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by Synria_

How about creating more jobs and making people work for their money. Unless you follow Obama, raise taxes and just hand money to people. I work to live the lifestyle I have and anyone that saves money would get pissed if the government took their money to give it to people on welfare (any more than they already are).

Well, the last 8 years of Republican administration and congress have netted a substantial loss of middle class jobs and most people do work for their money.

Unless you make more than $250,000/yr, your taxes will go down (not be money handed to you). If you make more, your taxes may return to the rates they were at the start of the Bush administration.

Welfare really isn't changing much under either candidate - its the middle class that is getting beat up by an unregulated business market that convinced the middle class to invest in it and then played that investment into oblivion and took us to the economic mudpit we're in right now.

[DarkSide Hero]

Originally Posted by Synria_

Down with obama... an advocate for socialism. Redistribution of wealth follows the footsteps of Soviet Russia and China. Punishing workers for their hard earned money to help out with welfare and druggies. People voting for obama expect checks in the mail, I congratulate obama for buying your vote.

This is how Hitler and Mao Ze Dong came into power. Amazing..

Hitler and Mao had lots of support from more than half their own population.


but anyway....

A change is coming!