2009-04-30, 22:32 | Link #1901 | ||
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Crap. Reasoning analysis is kicking in. Damn you Social Studies department... Quote:
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2009-04-30, 23:02 | Link #1903 | |
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No. Hence the "resembling". It's not even a real paradox, just Haruhi dicking with the timeline.
Haruhi is fairly unique in popular fiction in that it manages to avoid universe-breaking paradoxes. Unlike, say, Chrono Trigger. Oh, Chrono Trigger. Quote:
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2009-04-30, 23:20 | Link #1904 |
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Actually... correction: There is one undeniable ontological paradox: In Melancholy, Adult Mikuru uses the mole on her breast as a means to identify herself to Kyon. At this point, Kyon did not know she had one there, and the event of him telling her about it(and thus letting her know) didn't come until the end of the story.
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2009-04-30, 23:25 | Link #1905 |
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I don't know, why don't you ask the anti-SOS-dan? They were the ones trying to run a child over with a truck so he could never invent the time machine, and Mikuru had to save him.
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2009-04-30, 23:40 | Link #1906 | ||
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Predestination/ontological paradoxes are only paradoxes in that the information/object comes from nowhere, not in that they cause any sort of break in consistency. Quote:
For what it's worth, I side with Fujiwara. Being a puppet isn't a very pleasant idea. |
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2009-04-30, 23:47 | Link #1907 | |
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If you don't like to do it, don't side with them. Just because you don't like the SOS-dan doesn't mean the Anti-SOS-dan is automatically more desirable. Fujiwara is STILL a puppet; that's why he complains.
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2009-04-30, 23:55 | Link #1908 | ||
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When/if Mikuru's group has to make someone die to preserve the past, they do something different: They succeed. See, they wouldn't have to kill someone in the past unless that person died according to history. And if that person would live without their intervention, but history records that person's death, then their attempt to kill that person must succeed because history says so. If they fail, it would create a paradox. Quote:
True, liking one more than the other doesn't mean they're automatically more admirable. The fact that (unless it is all a put-on by Mikuru's group) Fujiwara is trying to stop being a puppet, though, does. The Anti-SOS Dan wants to improve things (as far as they see them). |
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2009-05-01, 00:00 | Link #1910 | ||
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It's not what you want, but how you do things to get it, that matters. Quote:
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2009-05-01, 00:05 | Link #1911 | |
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Mikuru's group isn't really much better. While it obviously hasn't come up yet, they'd most likely be just as willing to kill someone to ensure the future as Fujiwara's group would be to change it. *e* and I think he meant the superiors of the three factions associated with the SOS Brigade...
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Besides. There's no proof Haruhi actually rewrote the universe in that way. The only people who believe that are the Espers, represented by Koizumi, and Koizumi practically admits to be lying half the time. Quote:
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2009-05-01, 00:08 | Link #1913 | |
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2009-05-01, 00:10 | Link #1914 | |
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2009-05-01, 00:18 | Link #1915 | ||
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For a time traveler, any horrible thing that will happen to you between the time you are in and the time the time traveler came from is part of the status quo. And it wouldn't make sense to not be willing to tell people you want on your side their futures unless said people would prefer to avoid said future events. Quote:
Heh, no need to resort to something like that when quantum mechanics will suffice. |
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2009-05-01, 00:22 | Link #1916 |
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This also means something else; since Haruhi is the source of time travel technology, the invention of time travel is essentially guaranteed. You can try to kill people off associated with time machine construction, but Haruhi is the pillar holding everything up from the ground. You can't kill the source; though the anti-SOS dan might be trying that.
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2009-05-01, 00:25 | Link #1917 | ||
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Scary part is, Vol. 9 being how it is, this might actually work in the Beta timeline. |
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2009-05-01, 00:28 | Link #1918 |
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To be honest, I'm expecting one of the "timelines" to be the result of Kyon being in a Lotus Eater Machine... most likely caused by either the Data Overmind or the Canopy Domain.
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2009-05-01, 00:43 | Link #1919 | |
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But isn't a Lotus Eater Machine a POSITIVE fantasy? Then you'd be implying that Alpha is the fake world and Beta is the real one.... that's a bit too GRIMDARK for Haruhi. |
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2009-05-01, 01:17 | Link #1920 |
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The Beta timeline is more along the lines of something Kyon is used to experiencing, and thus he wouldn't expect anything of it. The Alpha timeline is, with the exception of the new girl, dull compared to the rest of the series.
If it's something the Data Overmind is doing to Kyon, it'd be the Beta timeline that's the fake, as they already know that Kyon likes his messed up life, and it'd serve to make certain that he stays on their "side" by portraying the opposition as bad. As for Nagato's sickness during it, what better way to make the Canopy Domain seem bad than by simulating something Kyon already knows they've done to her? Alternatively, they're keeping him in a LEM to hide the fact that she's been deleted and everyone is slowly forgetting she even existed, with her sickness ultimately resulting in "death" in the dream to ensure Kyon doesn't manipulate Haruhi into bringing her back. If it's the Canopy Domain, then the Alpha timeline is the fake, as they'd be trying to make his life in the SOS Brigade seem dull. Alternatively, they don't really know he actually enjoys the bizarre occurrences in his life and are trying to give him as close to a normal life as he'd believe. If the Alpha timeline would be the fake, then the new girl is actually the key thing that will make Kyon ultimately realize what the heck is going on and break out of it. Another possibility is that they're both manipulating him simultaneously, and neither timeline is real. The seemingly random jumps between the two are instances where one illusion overtakes the other. Of course, this is just an insane theory
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