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2009-08-11, 22:47 | Link #14762 | |
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Still, it's a little annoying at times when you're trying to figure out certain points for your plot and such...
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Some key facts (A number of which you even acknowledge below): -The police in the TSAB have wide ranging authority and can use there power’s of arrest on more or less any world in the TSAB. This implies that the Federal government’s police power trumps any local power. This points against any sort of EU style federation and toward a tightly controlled central government. -The military is clearly federalized and drawn from many different worlds to serve in one force as we see in just RF6 which has members born on at least a half dozen planets. This means that a large federal military exists again ruling out a weak EU style federation. -The Navy which is clearly a federal force competes with the ground forces both for funds and prestige. This implies both are under the same authority as if independent they’d have little reason to compete. This again implies federal control of all armed functions against an EU style. -Government functions are all centralized on Mid and all decisions of importance appear to happen there. No other power blocs are ever so much as mentioned, but Mid is constantly portrayed as the center of the government and TSAB. -It has the power to enforce on other worlds a ban on conventional weapons among who knows what other laws. This does not imply that the various worlds are largely independent and able to set policy and laws however they wish. What it implies is the TSAB sets policy and damn well expects everyone to fall in line -In an EU style government individual worlds would be quite able to set there own foreign policy. We never see a hint of this all interactions we see with outsiders are under the Aegis of the TSAB as a whole not any individual power within it. Further the postulated reason for such an arrangement (to prevent the factional fighting of Belka) is rather bad. Actually such a plan seems a great way to CAUSE such infighting; one really need only look at Europe of the past to see how an intricate web of treaties among various independent, armed, and possibly belligerent states is a recipe for war. The TSAB arose from the ashes of an awful war brought on by a balkanized and divided empire engaged in large scale inter-faction warfare. Given this it seems rather absurd to me that the TSAB would then build itself out of a patchwork of loosely allied independent and armed states who as recently as a few decades ago might well have been involved in deadly battles and basically hope that good manners keep them from killing each other… Actually it seems likely that having seen what happens when individual worlds are given any sort of slack the TSAB would clamp down. It banned mass based weapons to make warfare harder, it hordes the best mages in federal units, it controls the navy at the federal level… All of this points to a government seeking to keep it’s member worlds on a tight leash. More then likely precisely to prevent the sort of factional warfare seen in Belkan times when the empire was divided into various little fiefdoms that could war on each other at will. This is the key point IMO the TSAB formed in the wake of a large civil war with the chief aim of stopping the fighting and unifying the scattered remnants back under one banner. It seems unlikely that the way it chose to do this was to let the various warring states continue to be independent and control large armed forces of there own… More so given that this was almost certainly what CAUSED the last war. It seems far more likely it did this by stripping them of as much power as possible and concentrating it at the federal level beyond the control of the locals. They can growl and hiss all they want, but with the TSAB carrying the big stick it can just bop them on the head to quiet them down if they get uppity. Quote:
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It's pretty simple math: No massed based weapons on TSAB worlds + World has mass based weapons, but specific status is not mentioned = World is not administered. The idea that the TSAB would consider a world administered and allow raging planet wide war is also laughable in the extreme. The TSAB clearly considers the craphole to simply be not worth the effort to fix and so is perfectly content to watch it self destruct... it's like the inter-galactic version of Somalia. Maybe they go by and drop a few bombs now and again when it annoys them, but mostly they point and say. "And this is what happens when idoits get their hands on guns, which is why you can't have any." Quote:
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This is awful logic "We have no evidecnce something exists... so we have no evidecne it doesn't exist!" This is the kind of "logic" you see from guys that wear tinfoil hats so the aliens can't read their minds. What we lack is evidence to prove civilian ships (nevermind private space navies!) exist. What we know is that they can move between worlds fairly easily, but we see no ships. YOUR instant leap of logic is then that said ships must exist ignoring perfectly plausible alternatives that indeed rather fit what we see. Quote:
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-Strong Military -Aggressive Foreign policy with regards to its ideals and system of government -Perfectly willing to barge into independent states to serve its own interests -Sole hyperpower dwarfing anything else in its political environment -Large nation composed of many ethnic groups and nominally, buy not functionally independent political bodies. -A strong, but not controlling religious streak which can also be a bit militant… Yeah looks like “America IN SPACE” to me.
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Rationally, there should be two catagories of non-administered worlds. Worlds that aren't aware of the Bureau's existence and worlds that are but haven't joined it. Earth is an example of the former and Orrusia the latter. Quote:
I'd say they're trying to tell her her premise is unreasonable. People don't behave like that. Personally, I stopped reading after general Auris got blown away in the first chapter. Something about how that was written suggested that the author didn't know as much about the Nanohaverse as she needed to for the story. That never ends well. And this uproar just added weight to my initial opinion. |
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2009-08-12, 00:44 | Link #14768 | |
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2009-08-12, 01:31 | Link #14772 | ||
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2009-08-12, 02:54 | Link #14775 |
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*Looks at the chaotic uproar that has suddenly become the Fanfiction thread and chuckles*
Seriously, you people never fail to amuse me in many ways. I have to agree with Tk and JimmyC in the 'tear it to pieces' department. While the premise might 'sound good' to some people, a deeper understanding of the government and military power in Midchilda would lead anyone to their conclusion: The idea is flawed in many ways and downright laughable when dissected or when "torn to pieces" as you said. It's hard criticism but hey, life's hard, and by posting things here you subject yourself to other's views and criticisms. Don't like it, don't post. It's as simple as that. |
2009-08-12, 02:55 | Link #14776 |
Even if it just for a bit
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...lets skip the two page discussion, and theorize about the outcomes.
The first one is to avoid this problem and return with Crono/when the incident of the BoD starts/another time wiser and stronger... supposedly. The second one is to get involved faster so it can be solved faster or, possibly, not let Nanoha be a mage at all, but we would be going in the current state which is... lacking to say the least. Yeah not a surprise.
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2009-08-12, 03:01 | Link #14777 | |
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2009-08-12, 04:12 | Link #14778 |
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You know, I have a better idea. Since this debate has drifted away from the fic itself and down to debating the political ands military situation Nanohaverse itself, I'm going to port this to the military thread.
Oh, and [X] Wait on the ship and return to HQ. The first season is boring, might as well return home and learn more about ourselves and the worlds around us, mayhap even meet up with Quint or Zest. Being able to prevent their deaths would be a nice thing to see. |
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