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GE has a very simple storyline. All developments are slow, explicit and obvious. Very easy to follow. Unfortunately, I do have difficulties relating GE with own real life experiences. The story's foundation only works when an extremely unusual girl (Yuki) takes an extremely unlikely interest in a very uncommon type of guy (wet noodle extreme). Did you get to know a very emotionally mature beauty to coach a can't-harm-a-fly puppy dripping pure innocence out of every pore? And then to shy back due to prior emotional traumas? Really? Sorry, can't relate. So - it's perfectly fine to prefer the GE storyline, character and storytelling. But I have big issues _particularly_ with the "realistic" angle, because IMHO, it's not. Not in the least. And I prefer to be angry at Haruto for being a dense jerk over howling in pain about Utsumi's puppy whining. But - as you said - personal preference. |
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2011-07-25, 15:55 | Link #2883 |
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And did you know a guy who dropped his entire life to go chasing after a girl who dumped him, only to befriend and start cooking for the guy who stole his girlfriend in the first place, and then up and died?
Of course there's going to be some unrealistic stuff in manga in general. I just find GE to have more realistic tone and pacing and yes, I can related MUCH better with GE due to my experiences (I've dealt with the damaged girl thing, so I get it). KNIM, while I can relate some parts of it to my life, I can't relate any of Haruto's decisions. No one around me has ever done the kinds of things he's done. And I know perfectly well where the WTF factor comes from. I don't like the decisions the characters made and frankly, I find them all to be idiotic morons. Now, that's not to say GE doesn't have it's problems. It's WAY too angst ridden for it's own good.... I don't think there's ever been a chapter where the characters aren't agonizing over something, no matter how stupid, and spends way too much of the manga having Utsumi moping. It also has a bad habit of making Utsumi look like the bad guy, even when he's done nothing wrong.Plus, Sasuga spends too much time trolling the readers with obvious set-ups. Still, I'll take the characters growth and development over raging at Haruto and Eba for their antics any day. Though, honestly, I don't think any of the main characters of the series are all that great. Utsumi used to be in the beginning, when he was growing at a steady rate and becoming more confident, but the fact that he's been regressing into a pile of misery and worry all the time again has gotten annoying. Yuki went from being a cool, confident Ice Queen to a complete mess of a character. I understand the trauma, but it's played up so much it's starting to define her character and influence every action she makes. The manga really needs a breather. And you always have issues with something somebody says if it's not within your line of thinking, so I'm used to it. :P
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2011-07-25, 16:19 | Link #2885 |
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Well Haruto still has more spine that Utsumi however (putting that part about cooking for a guy who just stole your girlfriend to the side).
I mean he at least had balls to end up his relationship with Asuka when he realized he didnt love her - do the clean cut, yeah hurt her a lot but its a right decision. If it were Utsumi in such situation he would be clinging to her and ruining their both lives and even if she would try to end it he would still be crawling back asking to give another try and then another and then another just because he feels guilty. Utsumi is such a disgustingly nice and helpless guy that it becomes painful to watch at him being hurt all the time. Its like watching new born kitten being kicked with steel boots in slow motion. |
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2011-07-25, 17:27 | Link #2888 | |
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when former fat girl came on to him, pursued him constantly- Utsumi didnt toy with her or lead her on. He made himself clear that he already had someone else in mind. As big of a vagina as he is, he has demonstrated more resilience than Haruto. If Utsumi were to become LIKE haruto, he would rebound hardcore with the photography girl and officially date her (like Atsuka). Thus far, it has yet to happen. And judging from the previous chapter, he's clearly ready to chase after Yuki. |
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2011-07-25, 18:53 | Link #2889 | |
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Utsumi is a doormat. Haruto is hardly that really. You may like him, you may not, and he is dumb enough to deserve that, but he is not a big vagina like Utsumi. And that he is ready to crawl after Yuki again doenst make him better. If anything it only makes him look more pathetic and desperate. If it happens once, that I can understand - as he just swallows his pride to save something more important to him (even though he is not a fault) and that looks like self-sacrifice, but doing this so many times just reeks of having no self-respect whatsoever. Thats not salf-sacrifice anymore but just plainly being a doormat. |
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2011-07-25, 19:44 | Link #2890 | |
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Yuki and her behavior, while not acceptable, is more understandable that Eba's. Eba, who disappeared without ANY notice/reason to go become the GF of some other guy is MUCH worse than Yuki's breakup. back up just a second, and lets analyze the reason for her breaking up: She felt that she could not satisfy Utsumi (sexually...emotionally...whatever), so instead of stepping up to the plate, she backed off in a cowardly fashion. Essentially she acted in a "fake martyr" or "self-sacrificing" manner. This has been consistent in her personality THROUGHOUT the series. Do I like her for it? Nope, but do I blame her? Not really, as its pretty normal in actual life. People feel inadequate in a relationship and thus breakup out of love for the other person, so they can find happiness elsewhere. This DOES happen. Skip forward again to the discussion on Eba. Now here is Eba, who was (up until the point of the disappearance) a solid female protagonist. She demonstrated few, if any, signs of being such a "flake." All of a sudden, she is gone and even though she is by some other guys bedside, Haruto chases her. He chases her mercilessly and without shame. I would not chase after such a girl. Utsumi chasing after Yuki in this situation, this upcoming chapter...I see nothing wrong with it. Is he a pussy-whipped male teen? yes. But it is more understandable than chasing a flake and (what i consider) someone completely undeserving of trust. Spoiler:
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2011-07-25, 20:30 | Link #2891 |
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i've read KNIM before going into GE. and i loved KNIM, but i have to agree, KNIM has a lot of "wtf" moments (i guess the mangaka really put a "lot" of sensational events)
and in my opinion, i agree to the above poster who said that GE is more realistic in a way. GE is pretty straight forward, though a little slow in movement. making it clear. i loved them both. |
2011-07-26, 00:23 | Link #2892 | |
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But anyone would chase after the girlfriend in such situation just to find out what the hell is going on. For me Eba isnt more frustrating than Yuki. They are both as annoying really. The only thing aabout eba is that she looks hot (specially after the timeskip) while I feel no attraction towards the way Sasuga draws her characters. |
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2011-07-26, 00:44 | Link #2893 | |
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2011-07-26, 01:04 | Link #2894 |
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More hate on Pastel, I am so putting it last to read.
KNIM target a older audience? I won't say if it does or not, but they haven't dwell on topic of sex, compared to GE. I would say I enjoy GE pace of development, KNIM had the same effect at the beginning, but currently from middle arc and up, its painfully rushed to a forced "happy ending", now that everything is slow and easy for Eba/Haruto, its kind of blend w/o the unnecessary drama to create tension.
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2011-07-26, 03:38 | Link #2897 | |
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being good sucks, drama, kento boss, romance, shoukento, shounen, slice of life, yukiumi |
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