2012-08-12, 16:39 | Link #1201 | |
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Similar to Bakemonogatari and Ore no Imouto.
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2012-08-12, 16:55 | Link #1202 | |
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2012-08-12, 17:10 | Link #1204 | |
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You're looking at potentially 6-8 months.
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2012-08-12, 18:02 | Link #1205 | ||
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Much like Magic is the premise of that British Fantasy series, Heart Seed is (part of) the premise here. Jesus. Is it really that hard to try and be at least a bit lenient to the other side of the argument? You're watching a fictional show. The author introduced a supernatural plot device. It's part of the premise. That's not a strawman argument but a completely objective statement of just how it is. You can choose to beat the dead horse about how it alone ruins the show for you or you can just accept it for what it is. That's your choice and it's fine however you deal with it. What's not okay is the implication you make that the quality of the rest of the show is influenced in any manner whatsoever by the author choosing not to explain the plot device. It doesn't matter what, who or why Heart Seed is. That's just not what the show is about. Quote:
Agreed that it's pretty atrocious, not to mention how there are very few males and how they mostly never matter bar the one MC and all that. I don't think any reasonable person would find it perfectly acceptable but at some point, rehashing the same criticism over and over gets redundant as hell so people would naturally choose to just let it slide. I don't think this show has gone into atrocious treatment of Teenage males in the same vein you imply. All the same, Aoki is a total stock character and that's a real beef.
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2012-08-12, 18:11 | Link #1206 | |
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Volume 1: 2 episodes/Released on 2012/09/26 Volume 2: 3 episodes/Released on 2012/10/24 Volume 3: 2 episodes/Released on 2012/11/21 Volume 4: 3 episodes/Released on 2012/12/26 Volume 5: 3 episodes/Released on 2013/01/23 (TV broadcast likely ends here) Volume 6: 2 episodes/Released on 2013/02/27 Volume 7: 2 episodes/Released on 2013/03/27
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2012-08-12, 19:45 | Link #1207 | |
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One of the problems I have with him is that he literally just says "your life is boring. Let's cram in some drama" and does it in a smug meta way rather than a natural way. The second is his voice. Keiji Fujiwara is not allowed to let his charisma shine like he does with Holland or Ladd Russo because he has to speak like a robot. I would have loved Heartseed if he was playing with the kids' lives with the thought of dancing in their blood.
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2012-08-12, 20:15 | Link #1208 | |
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a) Treat the show as a poorly-written piece that compensates through the strength of its characterization. b) Treat the show as a meta-narrative to show off the author's absolute dominance over any story using Heartseed as his (or her) medium. Whatever the case, going with the latter is probably the better option if I want to enjoy the show to the fullest, especially since there's probably nothing more to salvage off Heartseed's character at this point.
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2012-08-12, 20:21 | Link #1209 | |
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2012-08-12, 20:53 | Link #1210 | |
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2012-08-12, 21:13 | Link #1212 | |
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This is basically "god [the author] is a total a**hole", The TV Series. The question we have to ask is "why would we want to watch a series with that premise", and the answer seems to be because we want to know what will happen to the characters we care about. If Heartseed didn't totally annoy and frustrate you with all the smug plot contrivances, I'd wonder if you were watching the same show. (Perhaps you have to be something of a masochist to enjoy this show? ) (As for why we should watch it, perhaps we can go with Heartseed's own answer: "I'm not going to ask for your forgiveness, but I hope you won't hold a grudge, since you also benefited from the experience." Watching the characters go through these experiences, and what we learn about human nature in the process, is our benefit. Incidentally, that's perhaps Heartseed's own benefit as well.) There will probably be online streams of the episode prior to the Blu-Ray/DVD release in Japan, based on what has happened in similar cases recently.
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2012-08-12, 21:31 | Link #1213 | |
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So, like, I watched this on a whim, was thoroughly impressed by the first episode, and then...not so much anymore.
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Heartseed is a rage character, I'm pretty sure we agree on this [I saw your post above]. But unlike you I think he's the worst possible messenger for the We Are All In Someone Else's Play message, because he's not a very good playwright. ___________ Kyubey is also an overrated tool. Most writers aren't amoral; and, not truly grasping amorality, they always, always make these entities evil, and then they justify the evil by limiting the damages or excusing the evil with "incomprehensibility" or some such excuse. And we're supposed to buy that these evil things are just on a different morality scale, that the entity doesn't understand our morality, they are just acting on curiosity, to experiment, to gather information or something. Guess what, authors? Curiosity, desire for more information, is fundamentally human, or more correctly, sentient. These characters create lots and lots of rage and drama and then the authors get to blame everything on the Amoral Entity Scapegoat. If a writer is actually brave, they would pull a Camus and tell it like it is: no, it's not that Nature doesn't care about you or doesn't understand you or is an evil fluffy mascot subversion, rather, Nature does not exist. There is no God. You don't even get the privilege to kill Him. Or if they just want to tell good dramatic stories where the Fates have ordained that there shalt be drama, they'd do it like the ancient Greeks and personified, actually person-ified, their trickster gods. I don't like being manipulated into some manufactured existential despair -- all you really need for that is look straight inside. Though you [or was it someone else?] were right -- as an audience member, I take misfortunes easier if the victims seem strong enough to fight back somehow. Picard? Bring it. Batman? Send him to hell. Leonidas? YEAH. Achilles? The bastard had it coming. Troubled moe high schoolers in a club? Fuck you [...not *you*, obviously]. As for the arguments a page or so back that if the supernatural happenings are not justified in-story, people will complain -- fair enough. But I won't be one of those, if they do it right. Magical realism isn't for everyone, but I've always been able to subsume myself and shed my verisimilitude in the good ones, the ones which were able to strike the right tone. And truly, are we so grounded in our own metafictional arrogance that we need Rageguy to justify switching bodies, dramatic accidents, and runaway Desires among a bunch of high schoolers in animation? Last edited by Irenicus; 2012-08-12 at 21:46. |
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To be clear, I can't even tell you if I "like" this show. But I do find it oddly compelling and curious. That's good enough for me for now.
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2012-08-12, 21:59 | Link #1215 | ||
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Take episode 5, for example. Even if it was KeyAIDS or a Korean drama car accident, despite the clichés involved, I would have been more involved in the looming tragedy, but with the presence of Heartseed, I only found the whole thing frustrating, not in a "good" way that will teach me messages about life, but largely because I knew there was no Batman in this show who'd show up and beat the crap out of "Mr. God." The primary difference between him and ilk, versus the capricious gods of the Greek myths, their curses and their hate, is that he is being excused as an entity which does not grasp humanity and vice versa, whereas the Ancient Greeks never excused their gods so [a professor once told me that they did not worship them out of love, but fear; not to seek divine revelation, but as a trade]. So if there's a message to tell, and Slumpy Robot Voice is the Cassandra of this message, then...what's the message? I think myself pretty smart, but I didn't feel like I learned something special, not even by being jolted unwillingly into it. Last edited by Irenicus; 2012-08-13 at 09:54. Reason: Unintentional spoiler removed =( |
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2012-08-12, 22:41 | Link #1217 | ||
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Good question; we have no idea yet. Based on past history, you can probably expect to wait a little while after the broadcast, but who knows...
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...our emotional attachment to the characters. Damn you, emotions -- the one thing we have that Heartseed doesn't appear to have at all.
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2012-08-12, 23:08 | Link #1218 | |
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At least, I assumed that much.
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2012-08-12, 23:52 | Link #1219 |
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Holy jeebus. Someone is more annoyed at the show than me. Also relentless bringing out his box of sarcams and dry humour. It's a meta-meta-meta debate.
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2012-08-13, 02:01 | Link #1220 |
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Let us worship the Ice Princess, Inaba Himeko-sama!
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