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10 out of 10: Amazing... | 6 | 17.14% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 5 | 14.29% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 13 | 37.14% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 8 | 22.86% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 2 | 5.71% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 1 | 2.86% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-07-09, 12:31 | Link #101 |
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Ezcelcant just got much more complicated as a character. He still doesn't seem evil, more just horribly misguided because of what happened to his son and the position he's in as the leader of Vagan. I wonder if his desire to breed strong genes for humanities future is so that eventually people will develop a greater resistance to the Mars Rays and be able to actually realize the settlement plan and so that there won't be anymore people like Romy and Lu. If so it's still obviously pretty misguided. Also he puts a lot of faith in himself if he thinks that this particular war is going to be the one that ends all of them.
Still humanity has definitely made progress since the Vagan invasion even if it's dealt with a lot of destruction over the past 70 years. There's no longer a technological decay, the Federation's elitist culture is slowly being replaced by more noble minded people like Algreus, and people are becoming more aware of the truths that they once tried to hide, deny or just plain be ignorant of. Not sure what else Ezelcant could possibly have in store that he feels will cap off his plan, but I have a feeling it's going to be put into place before long as everyone's heading back to the Earth Sphere for what looks to be the start of the final battle. Anyway I kind of find the fact that Kio looks exactly like Ezelcant's dead son Romy to be a little convenient. I know there's such a thing as the doppleganger phenomenon, but it definitely feels a bit like a plot device to give Kio a way out of that fight more than anything right now. |
2012-07-09, 12:34 | Link #102 | |
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Heck that math Flit made in the first episode Ezelcant was probably counting on somebody seeing the pattern. Not targeting Nora's reactor is to see if Diva would stay and face annihilation than abandon the colonists. He had Gerra Zoi sell MS to Euba and Zalam to see who is stronger an if they'll properly adapt to attacks to Fardain. Those peace overtures that he denied when he had the EF PM by the balls. He never intended the Vegans to go home on Earth. He is weeding out the weak by sending them to the front lines. Heck he isn't even working on a cure for Mars Rays just let his people die en masse. Ezelcant is insane, his actions are war crimes. How can you not call him evil? Just because he acted nice to Kio doesn't absolve what he did. |
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2012-07-09, 15:53 | Link #103 |
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Yeah, I'm not really onboard with this "he's not evil" line of thought. Even evil has a past and reasons for why it does what it does. He's not as bad as someone who kills for giggles, but that's not the only definition I have for evil. This guy has screwed up billions of lives and killed god knows how many people through his actions. He may have put the AGE universe right back on the path to constant wars. After all when the Federation started putting weapons down and not developing they got a bloody nose thanks to the Vagans. I doubt they are going to let that happen again and so military development will continue in preparation for the next Ezelcant.
Certainly people can feel bad for the guy losing his kid, but that's where the line is drawn. It's one thing to go through that and another to go on a path where you create war to stop war. He created the Decils, Grodeks, and Flits of the world. He's ruined generations of lives here. The man is a crazy monster who needs to be stopped. He left good intentions behind long ago, now is just paving the road to hell with the blood of innocents.
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2012-07-09, 16:23 | Link #105 | |
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Besides his plan wasn't to have everyone be useful, it was to tell people their role in society based on DNA, and those who were found to not be desirable would have been disposed off. You want to be a doctor? oops too bad, Gil says all you can aspire to is a janitor. There go your dreams and aspirations.
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2012-07-09, 16:36 | Link #107 | ||
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Celestial Being wanted to progress humanity to the next level but no way did it involved gunning down civilians and colonies. Even they had a line they wouldn't dare cross. Though I think we're all in agreement that Ezcelant is at best a tragic villian who "mentally broke" when his beloved son died. I mean that's usually how these things go. A guy doesn't just wake up one day and say, "hey I'm going to kill these people" (IE. even the Joker has a tragic past). Quote:
I don't see how Ezcelant is any different from any of them. How Kio will deal with it...who knows. It may end up when Kio holds Ezcelant at gunpoint and convinces him to stand down and then he commits suicide. |
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2012-07-09, 17:27 | Link #108 | |
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And if you're not cut out to be a doctor? Why waste time trying to become one when you're only gonna fail? Anyway, he only blew up countries who -resisted- the plan, not the ones who were 'deemed useless'. But anyway, I digress. The point is, Project Eden = survival of the smartest, Destiny Plan = Everyone does what they're good at. |
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2012-07-09, 17:32 | Link #109 | ||||
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Let's not forget that CB also had a policy of noone left alive after an intervention before they went public. They were even supposed to kill victims like child soldiers...Then there are all the pilots they killed because they were simply doing their jobs and protecting their countries. Before CB even appeared there weren't even any major wars, just small ethnic conflicts here and there. None of the major powers were at war. CB also murdered its own scientists to keep their technology a secret. hardly a good organization... Quote:
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2012-07-09, 18:07 | Link #110 |
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There were the Solar Wars in 00. But that was a result of CB's manipulation of the energy industry phasing out fossil fuels. Nuclear energy was also phased out by manipulation so that the world would turn Solar power.
Ezelcant and Duradal are two different Social Darwinists. Durandal's Destiny Plan is to force humanity into a caste system based on eugenics. Ezelcant's Project Eden is survival of the fittest. By having people fight each other the weak are weeded out. Those survivors that are strong chosen ones would rebuild society. It is a Shadow like plan. Both made a mistake that biology doesn't work that way. Darwin's Theory of Evolution can't be applied to Social Science. Destiny Plan and Project Eden's flaws is that you can't quantify a persons worth by arbitrary genetic criteria based on quack science. I don't know Gundam has almost always fallen back on the bad guy being one form or another of Social Darwinist. Zeon? Space Nazis. Azrael and Patrick Zala? Racists. Rau le Creaset? Humans are bastards an don't deserve to live. Char? Evilutionist whose grade is zero in biology. That is why for most it feels like Lex Luthor shooting Gorilla Grodd after learning the master plan was turning humans into monkeys. Social Darwinism as Ezelcant's plan can be seen a mile away by me once I learned Vegans were holding back to give the Federation and colonists openings to survive. |
2012-07-09, 18:12 | Link #111 | ||
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As CB found out people like Ribbons went in and took control of Veda and altered things which resulted in the civil war between the loyalists and the fake innovators. In the end, the loyalists won, took back Veda, and got things back on track with Aeolia. When Saji was doing his little research the Haro told him flat out that the Trinity were the enemies of CB. Quote:
And for the record, they actually had a freakin alien species bearing down on them so I would cut CB some slack on that department as it prepared them for what was to come. Yes to the rest of us it was weird as the Earth sphere was relatively peaceful but with a decade or so there would be a massive alien invasion which would make all of the conflicts look like tiny school fights. In AGE, I would've found more sympathy for Ezcelant as a necessary evil if the rumors about the UE preparing the Federation for war was true. In this case, he lost his son, snapped, and now wants to judge humanity. |
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2012-07-09, 18:39 | Link #112 | |
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So yeah, Celestial Being is no different, they are all about the end justify the means. They didn't know aliens were coming, just that in case aliens come, we need to kill a bunch of people to end conflict so we can understand each other and be prepared for aliens.
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2012-07-09, 19:17 | Link #113 | |
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why eliminating wars is important when their is no war at Ezelcants time? because simply he can, he has the power to do so using EXA-DB that fuels his delusions (twisted knowledge like corruption on the earth federation) and dreams formed because of his bad human experiences (death of his people; his son died because of mars rays due to earth federations corruption and abandoning them the vagans to die on mars) EXA-DB is the underrated cause of this war, since its the fuel for all Ezelcants delusions/dreams/reasons well put its natures way, natural selection or survival of the fittest, Project Eden will eliminate violent humans out of the gene pool |
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2012-07-09, 23:48 | Link #117 | |
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You know those guys who leave babies in the cold if they could survive, abandoning weak babies, living their lives fighting and stealing (if you're caught your punished not for stealing but being stupid in being caught) so that when they grow up they are trained to be hardened soldiers. Quality over quantity is what doomed the Spartans. Flit would kick Ezelcant down a gravity well when comes to ask that if humans value their lives shouting "This is Earth Sphere!". edit: Oh I forgot evolution does not work that way! The answer is in right in front of Ezelcant. Social factors lead to war or peace not genetic predisposition. Last edited by ReddyRedWolf; 2012-07-10 at 01:16. |
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2012-07-10, 01:25 | Link #119 | |
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Pitting one against another. This is why despite their technical know how some stuff never get pass the drawing board or mass produced. Departments don't trust each other or share data. No wonder they didn't get close in building a nuke. |
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2012-07-10, 03:41 | Link #120 |
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A critical flaw in Ezelcant's plan:
He's going to explore every means to create the ultimate human race, one wise enough not to go to war among themselves. But to ensure the survival of this superior race, those humans he personally selected need to procreate. Where genes are involved, it is nature that determines the intellect and wisdom of humans that are born, not through Ezelcant's mechanisms. Unless he has a system in mind to weed out those "inferior" ones, it would be practically impossible to sustain the supposed wisdom of his chosen race. |
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