2012-02-26, 02:26 | Link #61 | |
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(caveat: I'm quite fond of TheFluff even if I'm swinging a warhammer at his skull) There is the stance that if the west anime distribution industry just went ahead and died - fans could happily resume fansubbing and ordering direct from Japan, the Japanese anime industry could stay in their comfort zone, and we wouldn't have to put up with all the unreliable flame outs.
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2012-02-26, 04:00 | Link #63 |
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We may have to see in the marketing model they are trying with Space Battleship Yamato 2199 works. They are doing, basically, OVA releases in the theater, when the theater goer can buy the DVD/BD their early, where the rest of the masses can buy it a month and a half later. Followed by another OVA lease in a theater. seven in total to cover a 26 episode story. They might do a TV release at some point. There are also I believe streaming the release as well online, but only can get the DVDs in the theater early (only then theaters are showing it that I am aware).
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2012-02-26, 04:03 | Link #64 | |
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What it comes down to is that the novelty of the anime traits which appealed to American tastes is long gone now. The nitty gritty, sci fi, swords and magic genres have all been scooped up by American mainstream live action and game producers, and they're far better at catering to that demo than Japanese creators with instructions from American producers--overindulgent fanboys with a very vague idea why anime once used to be popular in America. |
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2012-02-26, 06:06 | Link #65 | |
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2012-02-26, 06:49 | Link #66 | |
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A lot of people watching anime probably do it because they are fascinated by the Japanese Culture, different school system, social behaviour, different perspective towards the world and what not. If you strip them away, like those so called anime produced for western audience, you end up with another animated/cartoon show. Even if those Marvel adaptations are made in japanese studios and look as such, without those cultural elements, it isn't an anime. But that depends how you define the word anime, an abbreviation for the word animation, like the japanese people see it, or as unique kind of animation with japanese traits, which it is west have branded it. |
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2012-02-26, 07:21 | Link #67 | |
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I think that Dhomochevsky have nailed it right on the head:
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But hey, as an anime I experienced diversity in both genres and tones. I experienced the shounen, the shoujo, sci-fi, fantasy, the sad and the happy, the happy ending and the downer ending, and the silly AND the SRSBSNS. Being exposed to that diversity prepared me to adjust my expectations a bit when the anime market did not offer what I used to enjoy anymore. As someone who hated moe in the late90s early2000s, I became one of those who sees the few merits this subculture have. With that many people in my age range and who are still in the hobby, and now have the money, it's no wonder that the french anime and manga market is in a better shape than what I witness in north america. A new title will always have customers willing to experiment something else instead of longing for the comeback of past hits. So one of the keys is maybe here, start educating the future anime fans with titles aimed at them, and adjust the offer accordingly as they grow up; this means you do not show them something like Ga Rei Zero or steins;gate when they are nine. And honestly, let the market in its current state implode, until this generation and the next one rebuild it.
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2012-02-26, 07:37 | Link #68 | |
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2012-02-26, 10:45 | Link #69 | |
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2012-02-26, 18:03 | Link #71 | |
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Even in Japan, it is simply "Not cool to watch Anime beyond a certain Age." It is worse if you collect figures. So, If Steve Jobs liked an anime , then it would be "OK" and "Cool" to watch ? "Because Job's is cool and important to the masses" ! What this implies is that "mainstream" people have to be told that its cool to like anime after you pass 17 and up till 70. The plots for anime incredibly diverse... some very excellent "adult" themes are presented in many. But because the medium is "animation" these great stories get scorned. Animation world wide is treated primarily as medium only suitable for kids. Yet Animation is incredibly more flexible than any other medium we have for the presentation of stories. The only reason Animation, Cartoons or Anime gets a low "rep" in mainstream "adult / mature " circles is no one from the "worshiped list of adults" has given permission to like it. Let Lady Gaga say in public she likes Anime like Ergo Proxy or Black Lagoon and see how fast cartoon network reloads their Anime block... and see how many studios start spitting out those same types of shows. |
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2012-02-26, 20:24 | Link #73 |
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1. Prime Ministers aren't popular cultural figures. They're politicians goddammit, if they do something it might as well make it uncool.
2. Reading manga is normal in Japan. Animation is still for kids and geeks, but comic books are something that normal adults are allowed to read. |
2012-02-26, 20:31 | Link #75 |
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
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eyah, manga reading is a-ok, with only a few points off if you read something outside your "expected genre". Anime is treated as a totally different animal - either for children or "slackers who have time to stay up late at night instead of working hard as they should" blah blah blah....
In some ways it reminds me of having long hair in the late 60s/70s -- it made the mainstream *really* uncomfortable and they were intent on making *me* uncomfortable (never mind the hairstyle choices of Thomas Jefferson or Jesus, it was fascinating to watch how viscerally it threatened them). Wil Wheaton is an all-directions geek, Vin Diesel likes D&D, Will Smith like anime&manga -- look there are plenty of "celebrities" that like "geek" hobbies. The problem in the US is more to do with just being clueless on ANYTHING foreign.
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2012-02-26, 21:33 | Link #77 | |
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If America is anything like France, there was an asian wave that started with Hidden Dragon & Crouching Tiger / Battle Royale / Mononoke Hime / Spirited Away (and I understand DBZ was still fresh in american memories at the time) which led to an overexposition of asian culture (including manga / anime). This phenomenom has been slowly recessing since the middle of the last decade.
Also, there was a paper last year in the Asahi Shinbun Globe concerning the pessimism of the french and american distributors concerning their local market. (which are the biggest in the western world) Shueisha's Kondo Hiroshi said the problem was that the japaneses reader took decades to swallow their mangas, good or not so good, while the foreigners only read the best ones, hence we have now a generation of reader that won't accept anything worse than the best titles ever. Tokyopop CEO Stuart Levy said something along the same lines : all the hits are now out and it's a waste of time to brings out the minor titles. Granted all of this concerns only mangas, and with all what happened with Tokyopop, I am not sure their opinion is that pertinent, but isn't it kinda true (for both anime and manga) Quote:
Well, so far, those animes are not so good, but if americans can do something like the last Airbender (which is the best shonen of the decade by a mile), I don't see why japaneses couldn't do the opposite. The comics adaptations show they are trying anyways, even if they are still half-assed. |
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2012-02-26, 21:58 | Link #78 | |
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The American white-washed hatchet-job of the Last Airbender might not be a good choice as an example btw. A lot of very excellent asian-american actors were passed over by "fat old white men movie producers" who can't conceive Americans might be okay with a multi-racial cast.
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2012-02-26, 22:08 | Link #79 | |
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2012-02-26, 22:20 | Link #80 |
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I was talking about the cartoon. It's not really pretending to be anime, but has enough of an anime feel to confuse people about its origins. (Heck, I have heard my share of complaints about those americans who stole and ruined another franchise after Dragon Ball evolution)
I don't have anything remotely positive to say about the movie. |
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