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View Poll Results: Valvrave the Liberator 2 - Episode 10 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 14 | 21.88% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 24 | 37.50% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 15 | 23.44% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 11 | 17.19% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-12-18, 19:18 | Link #481 |
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*long sigh* Interpreting stuff conveniently for one's own argument is fine but at some point it slips into "do people even watch the show before assuming?"
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Ending in "Pressure is needed during the negotiations." Edit: I didn't realize Haruto proposed the Operation Earth though. I mean I remember him pushing for experiments but not that. I guess part of me couldn't believe he'd dare suggest such smart(OOC) and stuff. I'll look into it now. Last edited by Blizzard; 2013-12-18 at 19:29. |
2013-12-18, 20:07 | Link #482 | |
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2013-12-18, 20:13 | Link #484 |
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I brought that point up before. They're extra-solar and there isn't a human ship capable of moving fast enough to get them back to their home world before their runes supply dry up. But I agree they shouldn't get away with everything they've done.
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Last I checked, he's the one that's been on a secret keeping spree that caused shit to hit the fan in S2 ep 9. He's the one that's been torturing himself with "I'm a bakemono" since the beginning of the series, while his fellow pilots have accepted the reality & it doesn't bother them. Everything for him is: "I'll end this myself" & "I'll do everything" So yea, he's the reason for ALL his suffering. While Shoko's suffering is a combination of some of her own choices, stuff that Haruto caused, soon to be because of her father & if she finds out about the ep 5 kiss & consensual rape, that'll be the icing on the cake. ---------------------------------- Well, I'm not entertaining another long ass Shoko discussion. Learned my lesson with the episode 9 thread. So I'll leave this right here.
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2013-12-18, 20:25 | Link #486 | |
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Doesn't mean they should get away with everything of course, but it also means that they're not all evil and deserve to be exterminated or anything like that.
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2013-12-18, 20:26 | Link #487 | |
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@Twi they have a whole centuries of times to gather runes as fuel and they could built whatever the heck they needed themselves during this time but they didn't, if they can built the ship than they can fix it as well. Also from what I'm seeing, the Magius isn't even interested in returning to their own planet. All the talk so far is to manipulated human behind their back while abducting them for food.
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2013-12-18, 21:22 | Link #488 | |
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2013-12-18, 21:56 | Link #489 | |
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Also remember that the Magius had to start over from scratch, their ship was damaged beyond repair. They concentrated on survival on this planet, the survival of their people was paramount. The materials they would need to create a new spaceship would have to come from Earth and unfortunately, even to this day, humanity still hasn't been able to advance enough for the Magius to be able to create a way to get home. They need a ship that can travel at interstellar speeds with enough runes to last all of their people the trip. They don't have that yet.
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2013-12-18, 22:13 | Link #490 | |
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If they could return to their home world, they wouldn't stay here, where the most substantial amount of runes are in humans, and that's not saying much.
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2013-12-18, 22:59 | Link #491 |
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One human can provide a human's lifetime worth of runes yet they have 100s of phantoms going around abducting thousand to tens of thousand of innocent people to harvest runes, they also willingly to jacked a small innocent girl like Lise. They have Cain to train their potential host like how that one Magius want a young intellect body, they are a hypocrite when they say want to hide their existence from the world yet they let some humans to know about their existence to further their agenda. They could just jacked one human and tried to used that body as long as it possible without hurting other as much as possible then jacked other body when runes in their previous host is dried which I could understand but they didn't. Again I won't sympathize with these "monster" knowing that they could secretly coexist with human peacefully and not hurt them as much as possible but yet they treat them like cattle and putting these string behind their back. Lise is a outlier out of these Magius.
Also again no Magius no Valvrave Project, no Valvrave Project no Valvrave, no Valvrave no invasion, no invasion no New JIOR and no New JIOR no massacre of New JIOR. Most importantly no Magius no episode 10, no Magius no Saki getting captured and get stabbed while being exposed as a Kamitsuki which permanently ended her career as a idol forever which is her dream.
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2013-12-19, 00:22 | Link #493 | |
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I know you hate the Magius, and they have done bad things, but you can't just fall down a slippery slope and have everything blamed on them. There are things called "choices" and "decisions" that had an even larger part of everything that happened than simply the Magius crash landing on Earth. It was the scientists' choice to use Magius' technology without understanding. It was JIORs choice to experiment on their own children because their leader took everyone in with his god complex. It was the PM's decision to approve this, even deciding to subject his only child to this program that was to make weapons of mass destruction. The creation of these experiments is what lead up to episode 10. Nothing would have worked if they hadn't decided to play God.
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2013-12-19, 00:54 | Link #494 | |
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2013-12-19, 01:26 | Link #495 |
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^ That's just your own speculation, when we don't even have all the facts. You realize that, don't you?
Cain said it took a great amount of work for that one canister he had. Humans may be a substantial source, but not as much as you give them credit for. They are just the only beings that have the most, compared to everything else on the planet. The magius wouldn't have needed to gather so many, if humans were so rich in runes. It didn't take long for the Phantom to suck all those people dry in episode 21.
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2013-12-19, 07:35 | Link #496 | |
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2013-12-19, 08:29 | Link #497 | |
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2013-12-21, 03:45 | Link #498 |
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Season two has turned very enjoyable in matters of both interactions and development for the characters, as well as the sudden twists that the writers have been pulling out.
Twists after twists is what we have been treated, and if fate turned abysmal in the previous episode, then it turned again igniting a renewed flame of hope for both Haruto and L-Elf. In fact, the current season has been touching closely upon the dynamics built around the Haruto and L-Elf relationship, and they stumbled across a slump to hit bottom low in order for each one of them to realize for themselves that they are risking their lives for something that together they can create: a world for both human and kamitsuki to live in prosperity. For that to make it happen, they must first regain the trust and confidence of their comrades lying in desperate need to be rescued, and next I think they will need even more comrades and friends from across the Earth. At the end of each episode's preview, the caption card reads that the Valvrave is the system that is going to free the world. In a more correct context, Valvrave is, indeed, the system that is going to expose the whole truth to the entire world in order to free it from the shackles of lies, fear, hatred, and deception. To sum it up, the Valvrave will be arrows used by Haruto and L-Elf to point and shoot at the Magi in order to expose them before the world. Now, that those two boys have forged their new bond I feel like they can pull such a feat in the last two episodes, although that is positive thinking from my part. Let us take notice as well that A-Drei going through his own internal struggles and personal demons, if he had to make the choice of letting Saki go free, though that's my personal interpretation of those events. Nevertheless, it could turn for a favorable outcome if A-Drei joins up with the loyalist rebel faction. |
2013-12-23, 14:43 | Link #499 | |
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I'm not saying what they should or should not do. I for one think that it sucks for humans that they are not at the top of the food chain anymore, the magius are doing the same things humans do to animals today..(although there are some extra issues because humans are at a different intelligence level than animals.) But that's the way it happened. BUT for them to say they usually don't interfere with human affairs is kinda pathetic. I'd rather they call themselves the enemy of humankind straight-out. (I understand they meant other things like government and human-specific issues and politics..but everything is connected, and everything has an impact..which overall effects humans). |
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2013-12-23, 19:53 | Link #500 | |
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Marie's runes were eaten by the Rave engine. Pino only takes a small amount of Runes. Liselotte as punishment for her coexistence stance is drained of her Runes via a Rune draining chamber. Both sacrificed themselves to save others but the real cause of their death is artificial in nature. |
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