Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (ver 2 old)

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by kari-no-sugata

Well, we'll find out for sure soon enough, but this is a guy who smiled while F.L.E.I.J.A. was fired. A guy who smiles through massive death (and planned for it too) sounds pretty bad to me.

As Var said, it was used for turning the tides of war.
And again, we don't know enough about Schneizel's history. He could still be just as duped due to family mindscrewing just as much as Lelouch and everyone else.

No proof she knew about it - that's another assumption people are making. For example, it could simply be that Marianne dismissed the guard because she wanted some privacy with her family or something - and the "terrorists" used that opportunity to attack. That Marianne could have known about the attack in advance could easily be a red herring from the writers.

lol. Grasping at straws much?

[ZippyDSM]

Originally Posted by Orga777

As Var said, it was used for turning the tides of war.
And again, we don't know enough about Schneizel's history. He could still be just as duped due to family mindscrewing just as much as Lelouch and everyone else.



lol. Grasping at straws much?

well she could set herself up to fall only to work in the background, doing what must be done for a higher cause, but what cause is it I wonder?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Var

And the reverse is also true so you have no point. If anything it takes more assumptions to argue that she is good than the opposite.

Uh, no. She knew... in fact it was flat out stated that she knew. So... what is your point?

That's where comparisons with Lulu came in.

It is very easy to splice various moments of Lulu's actions together in order to give the impression that he is an uncaring monster. One can argue that he could have done a better job at running the rebellion and spare his friends and family a lot of grief. But we know he really tried his best to not hurt anyone he cared about. The fact that he wasn't very successful at it, doesn't mean he didn't try.

A lot of off-screen events occurred concerning Marianne. And if like Lulu, she had private affairs that are too complicated to explain, then just like Lulu Marianne could hurt those she cared about by proxy.

Yes, a lot of things have happened that were bad. But it is too early to claim Marianne could have appeared and fixed everything. After all, Lulu didn't fix everything even though he tried.

[sLum]

God who the fuck thinks someone who abandons their children can possibly, shit even remotely be considered anything but nearly a purely black character.

[DeotoxSlayer]

Originally Posted by sLum

God who the fuck thinks someone who abandons their children can possibly, shit even remotely be considered anything but nearly a purely black character.

I do.

It's stupid to judge the things she's done without knowing her true motivations or the circumstances in which the things that we know happened occured.

[sLum]

Originally Posted by DeotoxSlayer

I do.

It's stupid to judge the things she's done without knowing her true motivations or the cicumstances in which the things that we know happened occured.

It's not judging, you are a twisted individual if you think she can be good in any way. Next thing we'll find out Hitler was planning something for the greater good and it was all a ruse...

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by sLum

God who the fuck thinks someone who abandons their children can possibly, shit even remotely be considered anything but nearly a purely black character.

The same way someone who shot his first love, blew up his sister, and caused the death of a girl who loves him and her father could be considered not a purely black character.

[Micante]

Originally Posted by sLum

God who the fuck thinks someone who abandons their children can possibly, shit even remotely be considered anything but nearly a purely black character.

Yes... because taking care of her children in the body of a girl that's younger than her children would have gone over so well... especially when she might not even be able to maintain control of the body at times.

[Var]

Originally Posted by Micante

Yes... because taking care of her children in the body of a girl that's younger than her children would have gone over so well... especially when she can't even maintain control of the body at times.

Where did that last part come from? She took over completely and we did not see any sign of Anya after she took over.

[sLum]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

The same way someone who shot their first love, blew up his sister, and caused the death of a girl who loves him and her father could be considered not a purely black character.

Yes Lelouch is almost nearly black as well. He even acknowledges it, why can't you?

Originally Posted by Micante

Yes... because taking care of her children in the body of a girl that's younger than her children would have gone over so well... especially when she can't even maintain control of the body at times.

Um you've missed the whole point of this argument haven't you?

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by sLum

It's not judging, you are a twisted individual if you think she can be good in any way. Next thing we'll find out Hitler was planning something for the greater good and it was all a ruse...

Ehh... because there is NO such thing as a full dark character in Code Geass. It just isn't the way this series goes. They may crap on people in favor of their own plans and their own personal goals, but it doesn't make them pure malevolent evil.

[Micante]

Originally Posted by Var

Where did that last part come from? She took over completely and we did not see any sign of Anya after she took over.

I guess I'll add a maybe or something, then.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by sLum

Yes Lelouch is almost nearly black as well. He even acknowledge it, why can't you?

Lulu spent the entire series refusing to geass people into slaves until now. If he was almost nearly black as you claimed, he would have done that in episode 1.

We all know Lulu is a liar, just as many other characters in the show is. So taking his words as evidence without putting it into context, makes no sense.

[sLum]

Originally Posted by Orga777

Ehh... because there is NO such thing as a full dark character in Code Geass. It just isn't the way this series goes. They may crap on people in favor of their own plans and their own personal goals, but it doesn't make them pure malevolent evil.

Of course no one can be purely black but most of their character can be malevolent (extremely selfish in terms of Code Geass).

Edit: He doesn't lie to himself for the love of god only to others. We hear his thoughts when we see him speaking to himself.

[Micante]

Originally Posted by sLum

Um you've missed the whole point of this argument haven't you?

If I missed it, I wouldn't know what I missed.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by sLum

Of course no one can be purely black but most of their character can be malevolent (extremely selfish in terms of Code Geass).

Edit: He doesn't lie to himself for the love of god only to others. We hear his thoughts when we see him speaking to himself.

And you are avoiding my argument, which is that until you hear out Marianne's reasons for being "unavailable" all these years, you can't assume she doesn't have a good reason.

Yes, she could be evil. I haven't ruled that out. But there is just as much chance of Marianne having a good excuse of laying low until now.

Edit: He doesn't lie to himself for the love of god only to others. We hear his thoughts when we see him speaking to himself.

He was to throw Rollo away like a rag. But he went through the trouble of burying Rollo's body even though he didn't have to. He was also suppose to eliminate any obstacles in his way at all costs, but he avoided killing Suzaku for the entire 1st season at great cost to the rebellion.

It is not what he think he is inside, but what he does, that defines him.

[sLum]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

And you are avoiding my argument, which is that until you hear out Marianne's reasons for being "unavailable" all these years, you can't assume she doesn't have a good reason.

Yes, she could be evil. I haven't ruled that out. But there is just as much chance of Marianne having a good excuse of laying low until now.

There is never an excuse for abandoning your children for so many years knowing your son is waging war.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by sLum

There is never an excuse for abandoning your children for so many years knowing your son is waging war.

There is also no excuse for killing your first love, or blowing up your sister, or burying a girl's father under a landslide.

Just because there was no excuses for it doesn't mean there was a choice to not do it. Some things happen whether you wanted it to happen or not.

[C.C.]

Sorry, I don't know if it has been posted, but if someone can give me a translation, I'll be grateful!

Spoiler for Image:

[DeotoxSlayer]

Originally Posted by C.C.

Sorry, I don't know if it has been posted, but if someone can give me a translation, I'll be grateful!

Spoiler for Image:

I haven't seen it before. So a translation would be very nice =D

Marianne looks nice in that picture