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Strike Witches defending Earth from these mysterious alien monstrosities wasn't played like, say, Daffy Duck defending Earth from Marvin the Martian. It wasn't what I would call "comedic action". That's not to say that the show didn't have its lighthearted moments - It certainly did - But its conflicts were treated as serious struggles played much more for drama than comedy. On the whole, what I saw of Strike Witches struck me as being tonally comparable to Nanoha StrikerS or Rinne no Lagrange.
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2013-01-12, 20:30 | Link #142 | ||
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But why conceptually flawed? I think that suggests something more than just a preference. Something more appropriate to describing a bad business model or something, rather than an artistic choice that doesn't suit your tastes.
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For example, there were many moments of SwordArtOnline that made me cringe, because MMO's totally don't work that way regardless of whether super cool neural link technology is used or not. Of course, for a lot of the audience, that probably didn't matter. My standard for believable scifi is different from someone else's standard of believable scifi. Similarly, my standard for appropriate fanservice is different from someone else's. I don't see why it makes hard to believe scifi or inappropriate fanservice conceptually flawed though. Quote:
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2013-01-12, 20:32 | Link #143 | |
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Rinne no Lagrange is also quite the light hearted story for the most part. I never once was able to take it that seriously. --- Look, I think you can still have a point with your argument, but I just wouldn't try to portray these series as all that serious to fortify your argument. Is something like scooby doo all that serious because they're solving mysteries and busting criminals? There is a place for light hearted stories that are not primarily concerned with throwing overt fanservice in one's face constantly. And hey, fanservice can get in the way of enjoying a more light hearted story too. I do not think you need to pursue this avenue of "serious action series and fanservice don't go together" because it implies that fanservice is only meant for more light hearted series. I say conceptually flawed because some ideas are just plain not good. Yeah, it's up to the person to determine that and all we can do is provide reasons for our viewpoint that may or not convince you or others.
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2013-01-12, 20:39 | Link #144 | |
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That is very debatable. To be honest, it's still a matter of opinion. I have seen people who were not distracted by fanservice in battle. |
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2013-01-12, 20:41 | Link #145 | |
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Of course it's an opinion. What good does it do to point that out?
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2013-01-12, 20:45 | Link #147 |
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No I said it's not a particularly serious series, especially when you take that fact into consideration. I never stated something broadly like "someone needs to die for it to be serious." I would never say this.
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Nobody was arguing that fanservice is conceptually flawed, which is why the post you quoted talked about "if used poorly" but details are annoying, right? Anyhow, my point is that there are pitfalls inherent to a concept. It doesn't mean it's always bad, but it's also prone to compromising the integrity of a storytelling. Furthermore, there's also a widespread opinion that certain types of sexualization in all media formats are incredibly degrading to people and that it's quite sexist. Not everyone agrees with this, but is the concern suddenly invalid, since we must blindly climb the tunnels of pointless subjectivity? Quote:
Yes, it did a lot of productive things, but it also introduced a lot of contradictory psuedoscience and technobabble (the only reason I brought up Star Trek in the first place) and caused them to contentiously fit the canon to it. Movies and ratings declined, and the most recent tv series had been cancelled prematurely and a number of years were waited in an attempt to reboot the franchise. So it obviously did have an effect, so I'll throw that in before the "it's your opinion" argument comes in
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2013-01-12, 20:52 | Link #149 | |
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Also you used the word "especially", which normally indicates a good reason. If it's your opinion, then why call it a conceptual flaw if you can't exactly proof that the concept of having both fanservice and serious action at the same time is flawed? Last edited by hyl; 2013-01-12 at 21:02. |
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2013-01-12, 20:58 | Link #150 | |
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The way you phrased it kinda implied the two things cannot go together (at least not for you), which is untrue.
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2013-01-12, 21:11 | Link #151 | |
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Is it possible for something to be both, yes? Hentai is not the only kind of medium that may have been intended for arousal. There's all kinds of porn and erotica after all. But as my experience dictates, this is by and far the outlier. Ultimately, I'm trying to say that sexual fanservice has much more use than just mere arousal.
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2013-01-12, 21:30 | Link #152 | ||
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Yes it's my opinion that it is a conceptual flaw, and there are provided reasons for that. Do you disagree with my reasoning? Perhaps you do, but pointing out that it's my opinion is meaningless. Of course it is.
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And whatever biological programming has it, the fact is that plenty of people have found other reasons to fuck beyond just to reproduce.
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It is self-evident that these kinds of things are opinions.
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Why yes, that's a side effect of teh secks. It is not the primary purpose, but people sure are interested! And what about the art part? Sex can be used as many different types of symbolism and concepts in fiction that don't all end up ultimately as fap material.
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Regardless, this is oversimplifying the issue.
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