2007-05-13, 23:22 | Link #41 |
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Then again, don't take the SEED franchise too seriously, eh? Its not meant to be taken seriously. Just sit back, grab a can of booze, and enjoy the show.
- Tak (If I wanted anything mecha-serious, I'd turn to Macross, but thats only a personal recommendation)
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2007-05-13, 23:26 | Link #42 |
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Apparently desertion and defection are no longer considered terrible crimes in the military in the C.E. >_>
Too bad. Kinda gratifying to smack a traitor upside the head and lock him/her away for 50 years... If we're doing it the "nice" way... Could just break out the blind-fold and cigarettes if we wanna do it the "quick" way.
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2007-05-14, 17:14 | Link #45 | |
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2007-05-14, 19:34 | Link #46 | |
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2007-05-14, 22:39 | Link #48 | |
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Yeah, I know your point. But my statement was really more of an outlook into the general perception of characteristic central focal on the main cast which ranges from...negativity mostly, and less on the entire SEED universe.
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2007-05-14, 23:50 | Link #49 | |
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I mean, I'd think it especially hard for the residents of PLANT. Look outside the colony and hey, whadda ya know, it's a big, blue object. I wonder if anyone lives there? >_> <_<
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2007-05-15, 00:16 | Link #50 | ||
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In any case, my statement was a response to the claim that Lacus somehow "completed her power grab and controls the Earth Sphere now". This is a rather extraordinary assertion, and I'd expect some sort of extraordinary evidence for it.
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2007-05-15, 08:54 | Link #51 | |
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This is not the 17th, 18th, or even 19th centuries when trans-Atlantic travel took weeks. It's the 21st century. Instantaneous communication, global-trade, space travel, etc. Do you really think that PLANT and the world could hold isolationist views towards each other? At the very least, there are certain things that humans are incapable of reproducing that they will want. PLANT HAS to trade with Earth for some things and once you get trade, you get political concerns.
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2007-05-15, 09:20 | Link #52 | |
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That said, I'm afraid that you fail history. Even though the United States traded extensively with Europe and the outside world since its inception, it still held largely isolationist views up until the World War II. My point, however, isn't so much that PLANT would be isolationist; rather, its main issues are largely domestic, and will have to be dealt with on domestic terms. Interfering in other countries' policies seems to be a very low priority in such a situation. Finally, travel across the Atlantic would normally take a bit over a week one way (assuming 20 knot speeds), requiring a small energy expenditure. Travel to moon-orbit, on the other hand, probably means a Hohmann orbital transfer, taking around 3 days one way, and requiring a huge energy expenditure (at least ~60MJ per kilogram transported). The Atlantic Ocean from the 18th to early-20th centuries and the space from Earth to moon-orbit aren't as different as far as barriers go as you seem to think. Arguably, Earth's gravity well might make large-scale commerce completely impractical.
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2007-05-15, 11:10 | Link #53 |
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They should totally pull a Beast Wars and go into the UC era and fight Char or something. There's no one else to oppose Lacus in CE, so might as well be UC. After all, they completely transformer'd the Impulse. And Gaia is so cheetor.
EDIT: As far as that Shisho person goes, it makes no sense. While I know I didn't watch the special editions, and only Final Plus, and knowing that the specials "overwrite" gundam contingency, I find that incredibly stupid. Final Plus showed Shisho on the escort ship opposite side of Yzak in the family Zaft screenshot of Lacus on the Eternal. Unless it was like Ackbar jumping out of nowhere going "ITS A TRAP" and some crazy bar fight scene, I don't see how Shisho ended up dead. Special editions imo are stupid, as when I read the changes on wikipedia, some of it actually SKIPS/basically deletes alot of scenes from before. How is that a good thing? Addition is nice, that's why I can accept final plus. But when you choose to show Miguel/Rusty over some fight scenes or between people who actually were more ALIVE during the series then those guys for the sake of flashbacks, something tells me you're on crack. |
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I am saying that in a futuristic society, the chances of two large countries (so to speak) being able to not really care about the others' politics is beyond belief, especially when they both just wiped out a large portion of the solar system's population in two large wars. It's a necessity to keep diplomatic relations with each other at a high in order to prevent such disasters from happening again. And even all the way up until World War II, you're talking about a technologically (comparitively) poor society. Yes, there was the trans-Atlantic telephone and air travel already by then, but even so, it's nothing like today where the internet connects us instantaneously with some guy in a hut in the middle of Burma. You must have heard the sayings that alude to the "world is always getting smaller." It's rather difficult to be isolationist on Earth today. I cannot possibly imagine that 70 years from now a space society could remove themselves from the earth even in terms of just political concerns. It would be unwise of PLANT to think the way to avoid another Bloody Valentine War would be to just not give a crap about Earth politics. "Hey, some dude who thinks PLANT is evil and needs to be destroyed just got elected the President of Ficitiousland on Earth. Maybe we should've paid attention sooner." "Ah, who cares. We need to redo the tax code on Aprillius City." "Oh, okay." Yeah, mmhmm. >_> I'm not gonna lie. My history expertise rests FAR more with the military aspect of the 20th and 21st centuries. I only know what I need to know about the political side. Politicians start wars; militaries fight them. I know about the military side. But in my limited understanding, I still believe that in today's world you just can't coexist without political concerns of your neighbor. Quote:
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Excuse me while I Laugh My A$$ Off...Totally predicted Lacus would just be the defacto idiot-savant leader... All adults in the CE should be beheaded for this $hit...Mess up and you have to answer to Dearka? Dearka??!?? The Zack Morris of Gundam, puh-leeeeze...The legacy of this show just gets worse and worse as if that's possible... Hmmm, let me dig around in Fukuda's non-sensical naming grab-bag and pull out a random title... Here it is: Shiho (Supreme ZAFT GrandMaster of 3rd Party Coordinator Affairs and Pot-Session Planning) <_<...
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Rey is dead. If they can mass produce Providence Zakus, then by god, they should be able to mass produce Legend Gundams and Providence Gundams as well. Shinn will be pwned by Kira in give-or-take three seconds if he try to kill Lacus Where the hell is Athrun??
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