(L) Heroic Age

[iseng]

Niceeee. Came across this anime by accident. Almost miss it altogether.

ccardoso,
I have a feeling that ship is the only one humans have. Or it's the most powerful.

They're exploring the galaxy with Dianeira. A very important figure. It's a long-term deep-space exploration too. They know it's a very dangerous undertaking. They recognized Bronze Tribe immediately so they knew there's hostile race out there.

I don't think they'd neglect bringing all escorts they could. Either:
1) They started with more ships and encountered the Bronze Tribe and lost most in previous battles.
2) That's the only (or most powerful) ship they had.

Either way, that ridiculous ship will be the only one nearby for sometime.

[wrex_japan]

Originally Posted by iseng

Niceeee. Came across this anime by accident. Almost miss it altogether.

ccardoso,
I have a feeling that ship is the only one humans have. Or it's the most powerful.

They're exploring the galaxy with Dianeira. A very important figure. It's a long-term deep-space exploration too. They know it's a very dangerous undertaking. They recognized Bronze Tribe immediately so they knew there's hostile race out there.

I don't think they'd neglect bringing all escorts they could. Either:
1) They started with more ships and encountered the Bronze Tribe and lost most in previous battles.
2) That's the only (or most powerful) ship they had.

Either way, that ridiculous ship will be the only one nearby for sometime.

That ship is just part of Starway; their mission was to search for the "great being" that was stated in the prophecy from the Golden Race and told to the royalty of the humans. Searching for the "great being" to help them was Deianeira herself.

[ccardoso]

Originally Posted by wrex_japan

That ship is just part of Starway; their mission was to search for the "great being" that was stated in the prophecy from the Golden Race and told to the royalty of the humans. Searching for the "great being" to help them was Deianeira herself.

Yes but what is a starway? A starfleet or what?

[iseng]

wrex_japan,
That's what I meant. The mission is important. The safety of Dianeira is paramount. The galaxy is not safe. They should have been escorted by many strong spacecrafts.

Let's say George Bush visits Iraq for an important meeting that may well bring peace to the region. They won't let them fly there alone on Iraq Airline. He'll be travelling on AF1, escorted by dozens of fighters, the area would be under constant surveilance, satellites will zoom in on him, carriers will be on standby.

Back to Heroic Age. We have only one spacecraft. So either that's the only craft they have at the moment (or can afford) or it's the most powerful. Either way we'll be stuck with it.

[wrex_japan]

Originally Posted by ccardoso

Yes but what is a starway? A starfleet or what?

After reading one of the official sites, it seems Starway is an array of connected star systems and planets. Its easy to warp within or through these systems and there's an exchange of information, culture, politics, etc. I thought at first it was referring to a fleet of ships when I first heard it mentioned in the first episode, but it seems it's an entire communication, transportation, cultural system. It may be the human's "federation" of sorts. If you go outside of the Starway, just like how the Argonaut (the ship Deineira is on) is, then it takes an immense amount of energy to warp and you run out of supplies. Which explains why the captain was going nuts.

Originally Posted by iseng

wrex_japan,
That's what I meant. The mission is important. The safety of Dianeira is paramount. The galaxy is not safe. They should have been escorted by many strong spacecrafts.

Let's say George Bush visits Iraq for an important meeting that may well bring peace to the region. They won't let them fly there alone on Iraq Airline. He'll be travelling on AF1, escorted by dozens of fighters, the area would be under constant surveilance, satellites will zoom in on him, carriers will be on standby.

Back to Heroic Age. We have only one spacecraft. So either that's the only craft they have at the moment (or can afford) or it's the most powerful. Either way we'll be stuck with it.

I agree with you that the mission is important and ideally you'd like a large number of ships to protect the queen, but it also seems that the humans are in danger of being wiped out by the Silver Race, so they may need all their ships within Starway to protect themselves. I think their ship the Argonaut may be quite powerful, but don't agree that they should've sent out more ships. The mission is a desperate pinpoint search mission, not an "escort the queen" mission. Instead of the President Bush analogy, it could be more like a special forces search and rescue type of mission where you have to be low key, gamble a bit, and strike quickly.

[jpwong]

I kinda got the impression that they're at war, and that was all the force they could part with.

[Owaranai Destiny]

What I'm interested in is what kind of power do the Iron Tribe have, and the limitations of how it can be used.

This reminds me a little of Starcraft...
Iron Tribe=Humans
Bronze Tribe=Zergs
Silver Tribe=Protoss...?

In any case, I don't think I've ever heard the boy's name yet.

[wrex_japan]

Originally Posted by Owaranai Destiny

What I'm interested in is what kind of power do the Iron Tribe have, and the limitations of how it can be used.

This reminds me a little of Starcraft...
Iron Tribe=Humans
Bronze Tribe=Zergs
Silver Tribe=Protoss...?

In any case, I don't think I've ever heard the boy's name yet.

The boy's name is Eiji or Age. You saw the humans or Iron Tribe use various mecha and fighters. They've also developed some psychic powers, and so far we've seen some women use it... I wonder if men don't have that ability.

[ccardoso]

Originally Posted by Owaranai Destiny

What I'm interested in is what kind of power do the Iron Tribe have, and the limitations of how it can be used.

This reminds me a little of Starcraft...
Iron Tribe=Humans
Bronze Tribe=Zergs
Silver Tribe=Protoss...?

In any case, I don't think I've ever heard the boy's name yet.

The Starcraft analogy has been made at least ten times by now...
Ah the name of the boy is Age, not for nothing the series has "Heroic Age" as title.

[Owaranai Destiny]

Ah...Thanks for the information. I've been slow in catching up to the recent anime boom due to various reasons, and was a little slow on the mentioning of the name.

It seems to be as though the Bronze is made of some insect race, are able to multiply at astounding rates and have certain abilities of their own i.e. teleportation, perhaps more. I like the idea that their 'battleship' is actually made up of a small colony with a single Bronze breeding in the centre of it all.

[ccardoso]

Originally Posted by Owaranai Destiny

It seems to be as though the Bronze is made of some insect race, are able to multiply at astounding rates and have certain abilities of their own i.e. teleportation, perhaps more. I like the idea that their 'battleship' is actually made up of a small colony with a single Bronze breeding in the centre of it all.

Yes too bad that the numbers are their only strength because, for the rest, they're probably inferior to the Iron Tribe and Silver Tribe, let alone the Hero Tribe. One Hero just pawned an entire colony like nothing: I have a feeling that even more colonies wouldn't make any difference.
The Silver Tribe is another story, of course, but I think they fear a Hero quite a lot and that's not surprising because you can't underestimate something that can destroy entire planets and travel through space by its own.

[Lost]

Originally Posted by ccardoso

Yes too bad that the numbers are their only strength because, for the rest, they're probably inferior to the Iron Tribe and Silver Tribe, let alone the Hero Tribe. One Hero just pawned an entire colony like nothing: I have a feeling that even more colonies wouldn't make any difference.

I suppose that is their ultimate weakness: the reliance on one breeding motherbug or something. Age knew that and went for her/it. Destroy her, destroy the nest and basically leave the Bronze insects that have already been deployed without a central command. See how those already on the planet's surface basically stopped when the nest was destroyed; they had no initiative of their own without it. Basically, their system seems to be the classic Hive brain hierarchy.

[ccardoso]

Originally Posted by Lost

I suppose that is their ultimate weakness: the reliance on one breeding motherbug or something. Age knew that and went for her/it. Destroy her, destroy the nest and basically leave the Bronze insects that have already been deployed without a central command. See how those already on the planet's surface basically stopped when the nest was destroyed; they had no initiative of their own without it. Basically, their system seems to be the classic Hive brain hierarchy.

Yes but it's not like taking out their colony is a walk in the park eh. If it wasn't for the Hero then Deianeira and friends would have been eaten by the ants: not for nothing the Hero Tribe is revered and feared like any other tribe is.

[Lost]

Definitely. Hence they go all the way to protect that weakness (like we saw, positioning it right in the center of the nest, which was under a Hedron shield too).

[iseng]

Actually the insects retreated in an orderly manner. No confusion, no struggle for authority, not going to many different directions, not fighting among themselves.

Mothership was blown. They all went to one direction at the same time.

The destruction did stop them from pursuing their objectives. But didn't cause any break down of discipline at all.

Much better outcome than what would happen with us, humans. Grunts see HQ blown to pieces, they run every which way, and some might even surrender or desert.

If that spacecraft (Argonaut is it?) was destroyed or Dianeira or the captain was killed, the humans may not be able to do any better than the insects. May even be worse.

[ccardoso]

Originally Posted by Lost

Definitely. Hence they go all the way to protect that weakness (like we saw, positioning it right in the center of the nest, which was under a Hedron shield too).

Yes but that weakness is their strength too: that little ant inside the colony was probably the leader, I mean the only mind which gave orders to the army of ants so they're quite efficent in that sense. One mind, one order, infinite executioners. Anyway it's a weakness too of course: but what tribe wouldn't have weaknesses against the Hero Tribe? I think we can consider a Hero in Heroic Age like Kyuubi is considered in Naruto world.

[Jazzrat]

Actually the Bronze Tribe is a lot stronger than Iron Tribe, i mean hell, the Iron Tribe can't even penetrate their shield system... kinda hard to see em be able to take out a colony ship.

As for Bronze Tribe, it seems to rely on one hive mind like Starcraft zergs, i dont think that wee lil twerp is responsible for breeding though. But they most likely have superior technology compare to Iron Tribe atm.

[ccardoso]

Originally Posted by Jazzrat

Actually the Bronze Tribe is a lot stronger than Iron Tribe, i mean hell, the Iron Tribe can't even penetrate their shield system... kinda hard to see em be able to take out a colony ship.

As for Bronze Tribe, it seems to rely on one hive mind like Starcraft zergs, i dont think that wee lil twerp is responsible for breeding though. But they most likely have superior technology compare to Iron Tribe atm.

Your point is valid: I mean in episode 1 the Iron Tribe has been totally owned by the Bronze Tribe, that's a fact.
But we should see if the Argonaut is the most powerful ship of the Iron Tribe or just one of the many ships they have: perhaps they can't send more powerful ones because they're in war against the Silver Tribe.
If Argonaut is the most powerful ship then the Iron Tribe sucks big time. If they have some structure comparable to the Bronze Tribe's colony then it's another story. I hope we'll get the answer in episode 2, which will be aired in less than one hour from now. I based my rank chart of a few posts ago on the consideration that the names of tribes were given depending on their power: Gold > Silver > Iron > Bronze, with the Hero Tribe out of all charts because they are only immensely powerful planet destroyers.

[Lost]

Originally Posted by iseng

Actually the insects retreated in an orderly manner. No confusion, no struggle for authority, not going to many different directions, not fighting among themselves.

Mothership was blown. They all went to one direction at the same time.

The destruction did stop them from pursuing their objectives. But didn't cause any break down of discipline at all.

You've got a point. However, the way they retreated... it struck me from their slow and reluctant movement as if they were unsure of what to do now.

Originally Posted by ccardoso

Yes but that weakness is their strength too: that little ant inside the colony was probably the leader, I mean the only mind which gave orders to the army of ants so they're quite efficent in that sense.

Quite so. The problem is when that single, and only link, breaks down. And I'll come to the advantage of having initiative among the ranks...

Originally Posted by iseng

Much better outcome than what would happen with us, humans. Grunts see HQ blown to pieces, they run every which way, and some might even surrender or desert.

Not necessarily. The beauty of each member (or just some) having an intiative of his/its own (even if to a restricted extent, if need be) is that when the central command breaks down; troop leaders on the ground would be able to gather members to continue with the original objective; tho with limited effectiveness as before, but it still beats just retreating aimlessly, which IMO was what the "ants" were doing.

Originally Posted by ccardoso

Your point is valid: I mean in episode 1 the Iron Tribe has been totally owned by the Bronze Tribe, that's a fact.
But we should see if the Argonaut is the most powerful ship of the Iron Tribe or just one of the many ships they have: perhaps they can't send more powerful ones because they're in war against the Silver Tribe.
If Argonaut is the most powerful ship then the Iron Tribe sucks big time. If they have some structure comparable to the Bronze Tribe's colony then it's another story. I hope we'll get the answer in episode 2, which will be aired in less than one hour from now. I based my rank chart of a few posts ago on the consideration that the names of tribes were given depending on their power: Gold > Silver > Iron > Bronze, with the Hero Tribe out of all charts because they are only immensely powerful planet destroyers.

Hmm.. I don't see how they were totally owned. They were on the verge of being owned, but it wasn't the end; I remember the Captain ordering Evasives - which meant they still stood a good chance. Nor was it a fair fight to begin with, IMO - a point to note is that they were out-numbered. Remember, the Iron's only had one ship; the Argonaut. The Bronze Race brought a whole nest, which could well be the equivalent of an Iron Race's planet. Or more.


Time to sleep. Bloody 7-day work week. Night.

[Renegade334]

Just followed episode 2 on 2chan. First half seems comic relief with the 'Proclamation' (cf. ep1) with Deianeria introducing Age to the ship...and second half is spent on

Spoiler:

another Iron vs. Bronze battle.

What made me blink, though, is the fact that Age, in human form, seems to be able to breathe in space without the need of a spacesuit. He just stood on the hull and proceeded to pull another Hakuoro on us...but this time we get to see the transformation a little more closely.

And at the end of the ep, it looks like the Silver Tribe is introduced, with the astral projection of that 100% albino Yzak Joule-lookalike. The way it looked like, he might have psychic powers similar to Deianeira's...a sort of out-of-body projection...



Dunno his name, though...

Now, to wait for the raws...three or four hours...