(L+CR) Space Battleship Yamato 2199 (movie & TV)

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

According to the Yamato2199 twitter, they sold out of all the Limited Edition BD already at all 12 theaters.

I always have a hard time translating Japanese DVD sales into how successful it is...so this is a good thing, right?

[kimpleng]

Usually sold above 3000 considered as sucesfull. But because Yamato2199 using better animation and movie quality, then this:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-new...e-cost-to-make

According to an investigation by Media Development Research Institute Inc., a 30 minute episode of a TV anime in 2010 that totaled 11,000,000 yen

....probably cost a bit more for today production.

Usually BD anime sold at 6800 with for 2 episode inside. I just checked cdjapan.
Lets say they provide 5000 limited BD release for theatre only, they gain
6.800 x 5.000 =20.400.000円

Now in February they will sell non limited version. And based from previous volume sold more than 25.000 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=109699) they got a lot of money. Still this money will be split again by the committee behind this project.

tl;dr yes they success.

[Ithekro]

What I don't know is how non-late night television in Japan works. Most discussions about anime on television in Japan relates to the usual after midnight block of shows that are in infomercial territory.

Yamato 2199 will be on during the day or early evening. It this more like American commercial television were the show gets paid for by the sponsers rather than the production committee?

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by durack

Kinda surprised that this show is so far relatively unnoticed by the english-speaking fandom since IMHO it can stand on its own even if you have no idea about the original. I wonder, though, if it may actually become a modest success in the West if you sell it not to anime fans but rather to the late 30s - early 40s crowd who grew up on Star Blazers.

It's not THAT surprising. This isn't the 80's and 90's where anime was primarily known in the US because of sci-fi titles being imported. Allot of modern anime fans aren't necessarily very closely tied to that at all, having gotten into anime from magical adventure series (Bleach, Naruto, Once Piece), or Harem/Moe/Fanservice anime. Something that's actually a straight military sci-fi isn't necessarily what allot of people like.

...especially when the main characters are actually acting like professional soldiers and not spastic ineffectual teenagers

[Bri]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

It's not THAT surprising. This isn't the 80's and 90's where anime was primarily known in the US because of sci-fi titles being imported. Allot of modern anime fans aren't necessarily very closely tied to that at all, having gotten into anime from magical adventure series (Bleach, Naruto, Once Piece), or Harem/Moe/Fanservice anime. Something that's actually a straight military sci-fi isn't necessarily what allot of people like.

...especially when the main characters are actually acting like professional soldiers and not spastic ineffectual teenagers

That is true. Yamato won't get much notice on boards that specialize in modern late night content. Then again Yamato pretty much ignores the core anime fan-base by not including modern tropes. It is getting noticed by mecha/scifi boards though.

This is one aiming the collectors market with deep pockets seeing the large increase in merchandise since last year.

[Vito]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

What I don't know is how non-late night television in Japan works. Most discussions about anime on television in Japan relates to the usual after midnight block of shows that are in infomercial territory.

Yamato 2199 will be on during the day or early evening. It this more like American commercial television were the show gets paid for by the sponsers rather than the production committee?

I'd say that's very likely, by this point the show is selling extremely well, not like they need to pay for extra advertisement to screen it on TV.

[Ithekro]

One or two places were passing this up because of the remake trope where a remake cannot be better than the original. Or the general "old" treatment. But as others have mentioned, this is no regular remake.

Maybe once it is on TV others will notice it. I mean a show like Girls und Panzers went kind of unnoticed until they started showing relatively accurate tank battles and Japanese girls singing Russian folk songs.

I've also noticed a weird set of similarity with Yamato and Girls und Panzers fandoms. It is quite odd, but there are a bunch of NicoNico Videos of scenes (sometimes half the episode if there is a lot of tank fighting) with the soundtrack dubbed over with Yamato 2199's music, and some that go a step more by substituting Yamato sound effects into the show.

Probably the best example I could find. Spoils a little bit, but its fun and reasonably done.

NicoNico

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19635766

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[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Bri

That is true. Yamato won't get much notice on boards that specialize in modern late night content. Then again Yamato pretty much ignores the core anime fan-base by not including modern tropes. It is getting noticed by mecha/scifi boards though.

This is one aiming the collectors market with deep pockets seeing the large increase in merchandise since last year.

Welllllllllllllllllll that's not ENTIRELY accurate. there was that one scene where the nurse got tricked into wearing a maid uniform...but considering it only happened for one episode, that's a fairly limited example for that kind of thing.

[Ithekro]

Yeah but she does get back at them a little, and since she is old enough to drink (21 years old if I recall), she can also play the bully drunk to get back at them for tricking her into wearing the outfit. (Ota seems to have become somewhat of a prankster in this series. And for some stupid reason I can see that working even with is Gomer Pyle inspired accent in the Star Blazers dub).

[AmericanFairy]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

It's not THAT surprising. This isn't the 80's and 90's where anime was primarily known in the US because of sci-fi titles being imported. Allot of modern anime fans aren't necessarily very closely tied to that at all, having gotten into anime from magical adventure series (Bleach, Naruto, Once Piece), or Harem/Moe/Fanservice anime. Something that's actually a straight military sci-fi isn't necessarily what allot of people like.

...especially when the main characters are actually acting like professional soldiers and not spastic ineffectual teenagers

That is interesting since, when I really started getting into anime, I find myself leaning towards the sci-fi/mecha anime more than the magical adventure of harem series. There are a few exceptions, naturally. But those are usually the more popular shows. I blame Gundam since that was what really got me into anime.

I honestly hope that Yamato will be able to find a somewhat broad western audience. If some network like Toonami or Neon Alley was able to pick it up then it might work.

And yes, it is refreshing to see main characters accurately playing their roles. I wish more shows would do that.

[enrico7113]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

One or two places were passing this up because of the remake trope where a remake cannot be better than the original. Or the general "old" treatment. But as others have mentioned, this is no regular remake.

Maybe once it is on TV others will notice it. I mean a show like Girls und Panzers went kind of unnoticed until they started showing relatively accurate tank battles and Japanese girls singing Russian folk songs.

I've also noticed a weird set of similarity with Yamato and Girls und Panzers fandoms. It is quite odd, but there are a bunch of NicoNico Videos of scenes (sometimes half the episode if there is a lot of tank fighting) with the soundtrack dubbed over with Yamato 2199's music, and some that go a step more by substituting Yamato sound effects into the show.

Probably the best example I could find. Spoils a little bit, but its fun and reasonably done.

NicoNico

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19635766

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wow it is really strange to listen to Yamato music and Yamato sounds in a totally different contest
I liked a lot the detailed tanks even if it is not completely accurate regarding tank warfare tactics
unfortunately it is not subbed
but I find this serie extremely nice
by the way a new gamilas character appeared on the yamato2199net page
a possible Celestra aide
(by the way what does it mean Ilun Phezeron ?)

[Ithekro]

We figure she is important for episode 14.

[macdawson]

"Illun Phiuzeron" means something along the line of "Your Excelency"

[enrico7113]

Originally Posted by macdawson

"Illun Phiuzeron" means something along the line of "Your Excelency"

thank you
I really need to refresh my gamilonese

[macdawson]

The character file for Mirenel Link was posted earlier. Anyone care to translate? :-D

[Cyprene]

I'll do it, with the caveat that while I'm the translator for the show, this is non-official (Haven't gotten the official glossaries for this DVD yet) and I'm suffering from the world's most horrible sinus infection.

Also I'm putting this in spoilers because the ep it refers to is awesome and less cool if you know what her deal is. (It's not technically a spoiler, but I think you'll enjoy it more if you don't read this.)

Spoiler for Mirenel Link:

Mirenel Link:
Garmillas Central Intelligence Special Officer
18 in Earth Years
Rank of Lieutenant. {Though the Garmies all have awesome-sounding ranks now, so this'll definitely be something different on the DVDs)
Born on the Planet Jirel
An intelligence officer who works directly for Selestela, and a psychic. The two of them are also the last survivos of Jirel.
By using the Aquarius Ruins hyperspace network in Balan base, she materialized her mind onboard the Yamato, where she performed information gathering and acts of sabotage.

[Roger Rambo]

Phoooey Guess I mean that I can't read that until February...

[Ithekro]

As with many things in Yamato 2199, the stories have elements of the older plotlines, but are not exactly the same.

Spoiler for Miss Newbie there:

All information points to this being a variation of the Eternal Story of Jura manga Matsumoto did in the mid-70s. It is not the same story, nor character names. It might not have the same outcome, but the plot elements are simiar enough to be recognized. People say it can't possibly be this story because it was written by Matsumoto and the legal problems that might entail, but I still betting the overall company has the rights to everything officially Yamato reguardless of who wrote it.

Two female survivors of a race were at least one is psychic. Long ears. At least one works directly for Dessler. At least one attemps to do mindtricks on the crew of Yamato, learning their secrets and trying to get them to kill themselves. Possible resulting in the infultrator becoming sympathetic to the crew of Yamato and refusing to hand over her findings to Dessler. Possibly resulting in one of the alien's deaths and the other supporting Yamato...perhaps for afar.

However, Celestela seems to be very loyal to Dessler and feared by others. She's propaganda minister type SS officer from what I gather (though being voiced by the woman that voiced Nagato Yuki clouds my judgement slightly). So the new girl is the one likely to become friendly with Yamato, and either be killed for her refusal to finish the job, or become part of some rebellion that has been hinted at in the spoilered part of the Character Page from Ourstarblazers.com

If it follows the old story that closely. It might just have elements and that is all.

The hyperspace network thing is new though. Aquarius as a thing is not, being in Final Yamato itself. The only thing like a hyperspace network I recall is from Yamato 2520. It was the plot device of some sort that was to move the story along and was the last place that particular Yamato was ever seen. 18th Yamato entered some sort of hyperspace portal, and ever come out again. (due to the cancelling of that show)

[macdawson]

Originally Posted by Cyprene

I'll do it, with the caveat that while I'm the translator for the show, this is non-official (Haven't gotten the official glossaries for this DVD yet) and I'm suffering from the world's most horrible sinus infection.

Also I'm putting this in spoilers because the ep it refers to is awesome and less cool if you know what her deal is. (It's not technically a spoiler, but I think you'll enjoy it more if you don't read this.)

Spoiler for Mirenel Link:

Mirenel Link:
Garmillas Central Intelligence Special Officer
18 in Earth Years
Rank of Lieutenant. {Though the Garmies all have awesome-sounding ranks now, so this'll definitely be something different on the DVDs)
Born on the Planet Jirel
An intelligence officer who works directly for Selestela, and a psychic. The two of them are also the last survivos of Jirel.
By using the Aquarius Ruins hyperspace network in Balan base, she materialized her mind onboard the Yamato, where she performed information gathering and acts of sabotage.

Thanks for the translation and for blowing my mind. This show never stops surprising.

[durack]

Do the blurays have english subs?

If they do I just may do the unthinkable...